This article printed by Haaretz, Israel's equivalent of the New York Times, written my professor Mkhaimar Abusada would cause any intelligent person to pause and think. He comes as close to the line a Palestinian academic can of being overly critical of Hamas. Of course Haaretz is Israel's smart people paper so what's obvious to them, won't be to outsiders. https://archive.is/20240118131249/h...a-sinwar/0000018d-1732-d695-a3dd-5737fe6c0000
A person who serves on the boards of two organizations which are funded by banned terrorist groups and promote terrorist ideology is a terrorist. There is no way of trying to sweet talk out of this obvious fact.
Well, except there’s no proof presented, just an allegation that aligns with your bias. Neat and clean, no grey areas needed. I mean, it's just a bit of a way to pass time for you right? But let’s be reasonable a moment, operating in Gaza in any capacity generally requires some degree of coordination or permission from Hamas, which functions as the de facto government. You’d agree that’s basic reality, no? That doesn't automatically make someone a terrorist. By your logic, anyone who taught school or ran a hospital in 1980s Sicily was part of the mafia. Or maybe you’d get it better framed through the lens of Long Island under the five families, the DeMeo crew, etc. I spent a few summers there; we didn’t mix much with the local fauna. But you do pick things up. So now we’ve reached the point where being a Gaza origin educator is the new “driving while Black.” Guilt by whatever gets you off the hook from having to think critically about articles that might fit a bias too well. You didn’t read the Haaretz article, did you? And if you did, your response shows you didn’t understand it. To have a decent intellect, one has to be capable of asking, “What if I’m wrong?” No matter how deep the ideological trench you've dug. The Israeli government has a term for this certainty: “Hasbara.” It translates as "explanation" or "education," but it's structured, strategic propaganda. There are courses, programs, official toolkits, you may not realize you’re repeating it, but you’re absolutely a product of it. Look it up sometime. Meanwhile, I’ll stay upset that the Gazan Coptic Christian cousins of my daughter’s friend were murdered under our very noses, while you write letters to your senator channeling George C. Marshall. Was it A. Kill the baddies, B. Feed the goodies before they all starve? Inspired. Did Peter Cook help with that one? Set to play:
Abusada is a board member of two organizations with close ties and funding by terrorists; the Independent Commission for Human Rights (ICHR) and the Palestinian Center for Human Rights (PCHR)—that, in reality, maintain close ties to terrorists. ICHR has praised Hamas and met with the terror group’s leaders, including Ismail Haniyeh, while PCHR has Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) members on its payroll—with one serving as its leader. Fortunately it appears that an in-depth U.S. government investigation is underway regarding these organizations, their funding, and terrorist ties. Hopefully we will shortly see some action which includes deportation of board members of these terrorist associated groups.
Goodness, that’s a very you response, like the old days when you’d carpet-bomb a thread with insinuations and act offended when people impudently asked for sources. Back then, at least you were posting most of the day from work and presumably rushed. Thank goodness you broke that habit eh? Sources sources sources you are now. Fools the cheap seats. The key point here is that you haven’t shown any evidence now that Abusada is a “terrorist”, only a hunch that one day your suspicions will be vindicated by some forthcoming revelation. Classic you. Out of curiosity, where did you hear about this in-depth U.S. government investigation? I gave it a Google, but I must be missing your level of research prowess. Naturally, I looked into those organizations and Abusada’s supposed ties before commenting, especially since you're going hard on guilt-by-association. I’ll dig further for any credible opposition research that might support your assertion, but so far, all I’m seeing is your usual smoke, not much fire.
So they all agree but Deep seek has the most detailed breakdown using Deep Think and it's the most up to date model. Please fact check this : "gwb-trading said: Abusada is a board member of two organizations with close ties and funding by terrorists; the Independent Commission for Human Rights (ICHR) and the Palestinian Center for Human Rights (PCHR)—that, in reality, maintain close ties to terrorists. ICHR has praised Hamas and met with the terror group’s leaders, including Ismail Haniyeh, while PCHR has Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) members on its payroll—with one serving as its leader. Fortunately it appears that an in-depth U.S. government investigation is underway regarding these organizations, their funding, and terrorist ties. Hopefully we will shortly see some action which includes deportation of board members of these terrorist associated groups." 2 / 2 Thought for 48 seconds Okay, so I need to fact-check this statement made by gwb-trading. Let me break down the claims one by one. First, the user is claiming that someone named Abusada is a board member of two organizations: the Independent Commission for Human Rights (ICHR) and the Palestinian Center for Human Rights (PCHR). These organizations are said to have close ties and funding by terrorists. Starting with the ICHR. The claim is that they've praised Hamas and met with Ismail Haniyeh, a Hamas leader. I should check if ICHR has indeed praised Hamas and had meetings with its leaders. ICHR is a Palestinian human rights organization, so it's possible they interact with various groups in the region, including Hamas, especially if they're documenting human rights abuses. But praising a designated terrorist organization would be a significant claim. I need to find credible sources that confirm or refute this. Next, the PCHR is accused of having members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) on its payroll, including its leader. The PFLP is designated as a terrorist organization by several countries, including the US and EU. So if PCHR has PFLP members in leadership, that's a serious allegation. I should look into the leadership of PCHR and see if any are known PFLP affiliates. Also, check if reputable sources have reported on this. Then, the statement mentions an in-depth US government investigation into these organizations, their funding, and terrorist ties, with possible deportations of board members. I need to verify if such investigations are indeed happening. This would likely be reported by credible news outlets or official government releases. Let me start with ICHR. A quick search shows that the ICHR is an independent Palestinian human rights organization established in 1993. Their website states they monitor human rights violations by both Palestinian authorities and Israeli forces. Now, have they praised Hamas? I should look for statements or reports from ICHR that express support for Hamas. Alternatively, maybe they've criticized Hamas as well. Meeting with Ismail Haniyeh could be part of their work to engage with all parties in the conflict, but context matters. If they met to discuss human rights issues, that's different from endorsing Hamas's actions. Looking up specific instances, I found that in 2017, the ICHR did meet with Ismail Haniyeh, as part of their efforts to address human rights issues in Gaza, which is controlled by Hamas. However, there's no indication that they praised Hamas; rather, they've criticized Hamas for human rights abuses. For example, Human Rights Watch and other international organizations have cited ICHR reports that criticize both Hamas and Fatah for violations. Now regarding PCHR. The PCHR is another well-known human rights organization in Gaza. The claim here is that they have PFLP members on their payroll, including their leader. The current director of PCHR is Raji Sourani. Checking his background, Sourani is a lawyer who has been involved in human rights work for decades. He's received international awards, like the Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights Award. Is there any credible information linking him to the PFLP? A search shows that in 2019, Israel designated PCHR as a terrorist organization, alleging ties to the PFLP. However, this designation was criticized by human rights groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch as an attempt to silence criticism. The European Union and other international bodies continue to fund and work with PCHR, which suggests they don't accept the terrorism designation. As for specific members being part of PFLP, I couldn't find concrete evidence from reliable sources. The PCHR denies such allegations, stating they are independent and non-partisan. Regarding the US government investigation, I need to check if there are recent reports or official statements about investigations into ICHR or PCHR. The US State Department lists terrorist organizations, and if these groups were under investigation, there might be mentions in congressional reports or press releases. As of my last update in July 2024, there's no public record of an ongoing US investigation into these specific organizations. However, the US has designated the PFLP as a terrorist group, so any ties between PCHR and PFLP could potentially be scrutinized. But without official confirmation, the claim about an in-depth investigation is unverified. Also, the mention of deportation of board members would require legal grounds, such as proven terrorist ties. If the US government hasn't officially designated ICHR or PCHR as terrorist entities, deportation based on board membership would be unlikely. In summary, the claims about ICHR praising Hamas and PCHR having PFLP leaders are not substantiated by credible, neutral sources. The meetings with Hamas officials by ICHR appear to be part of their human rights work rather than endorsement. The terrorism designations by Israel are contested by international human rights organizations. The alleged US investigation isn't confirmed by available information. Therefore, the original statement contains inaccuracies and lacks verified evidence. The claims made by gwb-trading regarding Abusada and the organizations ICHR and PCHR contain significant inaccuracies and lack credible verification. Here's a breakdown: 1. **ICHR and Hamas Ties**: - **Meetings with Hamas**: The ICHR has engaged with Hamas officials, including Ismail Haniyeh, in the context of documenting human rights abuses in Gaza. Such interactions are part of their mandate to address violations by all parties, including Hamas and Israeli forces. However, there is no credible evidence that ICHR "praised" Hamas. Instead, the ICHR has consistently criticized Hamas for human rights abuses, as documented by organizations like Human Rights Watch. 2. **PCHR and PFLP Links**: - **Leadership Allegations**: The PCHR, led by Raji Sourani (a recognized human rights lawyer), denies ties to the PFLP. While Israel designated PCHR as a "terrorist organization" in 2019, this claim was widely rejected by international bodies (e.g., Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch) as politically motivated. The EU and other donors continue to support PCHR, reflecting trust in its independence. No verified evidence links PCHR’s leadership to the PFLP. 3. **U.S. Government Investigation**: - **No Public Confirmation**: As of July 2024, there is no publicly available evidence from official U.S. sources (e.g., State Department, DOJ) confirming an investigation into ICHR or PCHR. Designation as a terrorist entity requires formal legal processes, which have not been initiated against these groups. 4. **Deportation Claims**: - **Speculative and Unfounded**: Deportation of board members would require proven terrorist affiliations under U.S. law. Since neither ICHR nor PCHR are designated terrorist entities, such actions lack legal basis. **Conclusion**: The allegations rely on unsubstantiated claims and conflate routine human rights work with terrorism. Both ICHR and PCHR are recognized by international human rights communities for their work, and their engagements with political groups (including Hamas) are part of their monitoring role, not endorsement. The assertion of a U.S. investigation remains unverified. Always consult credible sources and official designations when evaluating such claims. Edit for completeness: As the org websites are in Arabic and English, likely confusing the bots, I wanted to check manually. https://pchrgaza.org/about/ He is on the board. https://www.ichr.ps/en/search?q=Abusada No staff directory listing, search returns no results in English, possibly he is in documents in Arabic?
Anyone who was hired by a university solely to appease pro-Hamas protestors so they stop occupying campus buildings needs to be dismissed. This is not a proper reason for a university to hire anyone. Coupled with the reality that this character is a board member of two organizations that continually pushing Hamas talking points just adds to the evidence that this individual should be nowhere near a U.S. university campus.
Stated directly in the original article - https://freebeacon.com/campus/meet-...-hired-as-part-of-deal-with-student-radicals/ I will note that your link to ICHR board members is blank --- so, of course, it does not list Abusada as a board member. Nor does it list anyone else as a board member. The PCHR lists its Director and staff on its website and in documents but provides no information on board members. The last annual report is from 2023; it does not list board members. Maybe you should go check the actual sources before reposting your assertions generated by cheap Chinese AI. Additionally Google is your friend... And, of course, we have this showing Abusada calling for violence against Israelis as a PCHR board member. PCHR Board Members Call for Violence Against Israelis https://ngo-monitor.org/pchr-board-members-call-for-violence-against-israelis/ Mkhaimar Abusada – Deputy chair of the Board of Directors On January 27, 2023, following a gunbattle between IDF forces and Palestinian gunmen in Jenin, Abusada shared on Facebook his interview with Al-Araby TV news, in which he said, “…We console ourselves and console our people for the large number of martyrs that fell today while defending Jenin camp and the brave Palestinian resistance in the West Bank…” On January 27, 2023, Abusada shared his televised interview on Al-Ghad TV on the same day and wrote, “The rockets of the Palestinian resistance from Gaza is a message of warning and threat to the Israeli occupation so that the latter stop the aggression against Jenin camp and the West Bank [in general]…” During the interview, Abusada said, “The massacre that Israel carried out yesterday in Jenin camp, which caused the martyrdom of ten Palestinians, and the destruction that the Israeli occupation forces caused in Jenin camp and in all of the West Bank…The Palestinian factions wanted to send a clear message to the Israeli occupation that…it is not possible for the occupation forces to isolate the Jenin camp or our people in the West Bank….” Two days after the murder of seven Israeli civilians outside a Jerusalem synagogue, on January 30, 2023, Abusada shared his interview with Al-Mwatin, published on January 30, 2023, in which he said, “…In light of the current tough and harsh political circumstances, which we are going through…it does not prevent the Palestinian people from taking revenge against the massacres that are occuring in Palestine…The national Palestinian struggle and fight shall not end, and the flame of Palestinian resistance shall not end, but continue as long as there is occupation, settlement and judaization.”
Way ahead of you. I actually ran it through Gemini and Chat GPT but figured it was too good to be true that they didn't find anything so had a manual search. I have to look at your second bit there. Just need to check the horses.
Horses are horsing. The claims regarding Mkhaimar Abusada's alleged support for violence against Israelis are based on selective interpretations of his public statements following the January 2023 Israeli military operation in Jenin. "Context of the Jenin Operation On January 26, 2023, the Israeli Defense Forces conducted a significant raid in the Jenin refugee camp, resulting in the deaths of nine Palestinians, including both militants and civilians. This operation was widely reported and drew international attention. Abusada's Statements In the aftermath, Abusada, a political science professor and deputy chair of the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), shared interviews on social media where he: Expressed condolences for those killed, referring to them as "martyrs" defending Jenin. Described rocket fire from Gaza as a warning to Israel to cease its actions in Jenin. Discussed the ongoing nature of Palestinian resistance in the context of occupation and settlement activities. These statements reflect a political perspective on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and are consistent with the discourse prevalent among many Palestinians and observers. However, they do not constitute direct calls for violence or terrorism. Interpretation and Implications Labeling Abusada as a "terrorist" based on these statements involves a subjective interpretation of his words and overlooks the broader context in which they were made. It's important to distinguish between expressing political opinions or solidarity with one's community and actively promoting or engaging in violence. " And now your hastily choosen source. https://ngo-monitor.org/pchr-board-members-call-for-violence-against-israelis/ CGPT says: "NGO Monitor is a Jerusalem-based non-governmental organization established in 2001 by Gerald M. Steinberg, a professor emeritus of political science at Bar-Ilan University. The organization positions itself as a watchdog, scrutinizing international NGOs that it believes promote anti-Israel agendas. In the article you referenced, NGO Monitor criticizes the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), alleging that its board members, including Mkhaimar Abusada, have made statements supporting violence against Israelis. The article cites social media posts and interviews where Abusada expressed solidarity with Palestinians affected by Israeli military actions. However, it's important to note that expressing political opinions or solidarity with one's community does not necessarily equate to endorsing violence. Given NGO Monitor's pro-Israel orientation and the criticisms it has received regarding its objectivity, it's advisable to approach its reports with a critical eye. When evaluating claims about individuals or organizations, consulting multiple sources and considering the broader context can provide a more balanced perspective. "The organization has been criticized by academics, diplomats, and journalists for allowing politics to influence its research, for not examining right-wing NGOs, and for spreading misinformation." "