Identifying when IB is your counterparty

Discussion in 'Interactive Brokers' started by Option Trader, Feb 19, 2008.

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  1. ak15

    ak15

    Exactly.
     
    #21     Feb 24, 2008
  2. See the following post. IBsoft claims at least when it comes to options that the customer is first. http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80553&perpage=6&pagenumber=1
     
    #22     Feb 24, 2008
  3. ak15

    ak15

    #23     Feb 24, 2008
  4. ids

    ids

    Quote, "Not accurate. If you do not see customers' orders how are you able to route specific orders through Ideal? Not only do you see customers orders, you also determine whether Ideal can benefit by routing to them and if not you then route to other ECNS or NYSE."
    It is accurate. The question was in context of our Market Making activity. Our Market Maker does not see customer orders. IB-broker sees orders of course but it has no clue about existence of the MM. We separated these two by so-called Chinese wall to avoid conflict of interests. It was done from the start of our existence as a broker by design.
     
    #24     Feb 24, 2008
  5. Thank you for this clarifying. Does IB algorithm first check for a fellow IB customer before sending the order for MM activity?
     
    #25     Feb 24, 2008
  6. def

    def Sponsor

    No !

    Think of Timber Hill as a dark pool of liquidity. The quotes from Timber may form part of the internal NBBO and thus the client side has access to that liquidity.

    example:

    NBBO = 10 at 10.05
    Timber = 9.85 at 10.02

    internal NBBO = 10 at 10.02

    client places 10.02 bid

    result: client gets instant fill for 10.02
     
    #26     Feb 24, 2008
  7. What happens though if an IB client is sitting at 10.02 as well? Does the Timber order get taken out, or the client's?
     
    #27     Feb 24, 2008
  8. def

    def Sponsor

    In that case the client order will immediately route to an exchange and thus will available for the entire market place for a fill.
     
    #28     Feb 24, 2008
  9. What I mean is if both Timberhill & a client of IB are sitting at 10.02, and then another IB client submits a buy order at 10.02, who will be his counterparty, Timberhill? OR the other IB client?
     
    #29     Feb 24, 2008
  10. You seem to be asking two questions:

    1. If an order has been routed to the exchange and another order from IB or TH arrives will it be filled internally rather than the exchange?

    2. If IB will match internally rather than relying on the exchange then what is the queuing? Is it first in first out?
     
    #30     Feb 24, 2008
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