Ideas for struggling traders

Discussion in 'Trading' started by steve46, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. Okay, so at this point, I think I have put together a nice set of suggestions for new and struggling traders.

    If you are having trouble getting to profitablilty some of these ideas may help you..and of course you are going to have to put forth the effort to change the way you do things. Can't help you with that unfortunately.

    I will answer questions as best I can, but this will be "it" for new information...

    Good luck everyone..

    Steve
     
    #161     Jul 14, 2008
  2. fifo

    fifo

    I can't thank you enough for your insights. It is rare to have a professional guide you through the inner workings of locals. Even more rare is someone posting and explaining a thorough straightforward no nonsense method.

    screwed in peekaboo moves - guilty
    screwed entering breakouts - guilty
    screwed not letting profits run - guilty

    I think the biggest lesson here is the entry with tight stops achievable mostly in fades with the trend.


    Still absorbing - hope this thread doesn't disappear
     
    #162     Jul 14, 2008
  3. fifo

    fifo

    Forgot to mention, I would be interested in learning your take on Value Highs and Value Lows. From what i gather , there is 80% probability of going 75% of the way to the opposite Value range if entered. Would you use these lines exactly as you would your MAs?


    thanks
     
    #163     Jul 14, 2008
  4. Depends on the context. For instance, today we opened at 1253.75 and the previous value high was located at 1243.75.

    One of the reasons I took my initial short was that I am betting that the market will test back to the previous day's value area.

    Today that bet worked out.

    So early in the session I am looking for a test of the previous day's value area high or low

    Now as you move on in time that changes....I have posted about the importance of time of day earlier in this thread.

    Things that affect my decision making process include the size of the Initial Balance. I look at the size of the IB as compared to a 10 day average. If we have a (relatively) big IB, I am looking for price to trade within that framework. If on the other hand it is relatively small, I look for it to be rejected. This is something that I encourage folks to test for themselves. Nothing beats seeing the data firsthand.
     
    #164     Jul 14, 2008
  5. fifo

    fifo


    So does that mean you scale out 50% of holdings at every target?
     
    #165     Jul 14, 2008
  6. No, I use discretion scaling out. It depends on how I see the tape play out. I watch the size of the spread as price moves around. I watch the size on the bid and size on the ask...It would be difficult to describe how this works for a new or struggling trader.

    I think the best way is to use a simple math

    If you are new and your account size is less than 20K, trade no more than 10 units. Scale out 2 at 2 points, 2 at 3 points, 2 at 5 points, 2 more at 7 points, 1 at 10 points, and (always) leave 1 to run....to the EOD if possible with a B/E stop.

    If you are struggling (or your confidence is low) trade no more than 6 units. Scale out 1 at 2 pts, 1 more at 3pts, 1 at 5pts, 1 at 7pts, 1 at 10pts, and leave 1 to run to EOD with a B/E stop

    Quite honestly if you can't handle this (talking to struggling or new traders), or if you see that you are still consistently losing money, you probably should be standing aside and work on your system (testing and refining your approach) and practicing your execution skills.

    I hope that helps.

    Steve
     
    #166     Jul 14, 2008
  7. fifo

    fifo

    Agreed, it wil take me some time to get market profile indicators set up, so I will wait and visualize the data and get back to you...
     
    #167     Jul 14, 2008
  8. fifo

    fifo

    Understood. I will see if I can adapt the numbers for YM.
     
    #168     Jul 14, 2008
  9. Just spread your scales out (further apart) for the YM and you will be fine.

    1 ES point = $50

    10 YM (Mini-Dow) points = $50
     
    #169     Jul 14, 2008
  10. fifo

    fifo


    Playing around with this today and found myself tightening the stops too quickly. At what point would you move your runner stop to BE? Also, do you tighten the other positions at predefined intervals/rules? At the moment my platform only allows me to scale out 3 targets at most so I am trying to change the framework to conform to this limitation - at least for sim.
     
    #170     Jul 15, 2008