IB's option cancellation fee

Discussion in 'Options' started by njrookie, Sep 21, 2011.

  1. TskTsk

    TskTsk

    Well my goals are pretty simple, at least thus far, so maybe I'll just stick with VB as you say. No need in overcomplicating. Thanks for the tip :)
     
    #81     Mar 14, 2012
  2. Epic

    Epic

    Reg-T... Margin calls came from EOD price glitches every time. At the close on Friday the posted spreads can get a little wacky. Enough to take my account below maintenance margin levels. The first one freaked me out a bit, but the second and third time it happened I didn't worry about it. I just get a notice that says to wire money by the open of the next trading day. Generally, right after I get the message, the prices are back close to where they should be.

    I don't know of any others that use algos to auto-liquidate intraday, but I would guess that most of the big ones use software to a certain extent. It would get a bit complicated to keep up with 10,000 client accounts during a flash crash. Do you really want them to be liquidating positions manually?

    IMO, the risk of them blowing out my account due to an auto-liquidation error is much lower than the risk of an unregulated rogue trader bringing down the entire firm. Also, if it was a program glitch that causes the liquidation, then I have some legal recourse. If it is a rogue trader, that is just a stated risk of trading commodities.
     
    #82     Mar 14, 2012
  3. Still lots of companies use VB for risk software development. A few years ago, when I was interviewing, all they did was throw in some VAR based on log-normal distribution at 99.99% C.I.

    Now that shit's happened, they use some form of stable distribution and code that in. LOL!!

    So yeah VB is pretty friggin powerful for all it's worth. And the express version is free from Microsoft- SQLite and all that included.

    Good luck. Keep us posted on your developments!

    I'll begin Java tomorrow.
     
    #83     Mar 14, 2012
  4. TskTsk

    TskTsk

    Not bad, I always had the impression VB was too simple for such tasks.. My opinion has definitely changed a bit now... Think I'll just stick with VB for the time being

    Thanks for this and good luck with your developments as well!
     
    #84     Mar 14, 2012
  5. Options12

    Options12 Guest

    Epic, Yes, you would absolutely want your firm to use a manual liquidation during a flash crash.

    The last thing you would want is an auto-liquidation algo to wipe out positions during the worst few minutes of a flash crash.

    Using auto-liquidation algos during a flash crash would mean that the firm's customer capital base would be severely damaged by the time the market returned to normal.
     
    #85     Mar 15, 2012
  6. Epic

    Epic

    What if there was no short term recovery, but instead follow through selling causing greater losses?
     
    #86     Mar 15, 2012
  7. Options12

    Options12 Guest

    Then that would be a crash, not a flash crash.

    See: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=198220

    for more info on how auto-liquidation algos can endanger traders and firms during a flash crash.
     
    #87     Mar 15, 2012
  8. Publicus

    Publicus



    And just remember - these fees are not to raise revenue for the exchanges. They are to cover the costs of bandwidth.

    One market-maker streaming quotes might have ten million price changes over the course of a day. Your 46 cancels will incur heavy fees.

    All the best,
    Your IB Team
     
    #88     Mar 15, 2012
  9. def

    def Sponsor

    Sorry but you are wrong as market makers are not subject to the same set of constraints and thus their quotes are not factored in by the exchanges in the calculation for clients (never mind that the MM quotes are run via separate APIs, lines, logins, ids, etc).

    You should do some research before you make false statements.
     
    #89     Mar 15, 2012
  10. rmorse

    rmorse Sponsor

    I believe cancellation fees are only for "customers", which are generally not charged on most floors for execution. "pro customer" , firm electronic and local MM are not subject to cancellation fees because they pay higher fees for trading.
     
    #90     Mar 15, 2012