IB stop loss triggered AND executed outside of trading range

Discussion in 'Interactive Brokers' started by BuyLowSellHigh, Sep 17, 2009.

  1. Good question. Backfill data can always be different, I believe, since IB uses coalescing.

    As far as live data goes, if I had both IB TWS chart and QT chart side by side live and both failed to show the true low at 1059.25, then it would imply IB's quote is the problem. If IB chart shows lower low (or higher high) than QT, then that would mean QT is not getting all data from TWS. I will try next time. It's possible there are some quotes dropped at both the IB end and the TWS-to-QT connection.
     
    #11     Sep 17, 2009
  2. You never know, the truth can be surprising. For instance, BSAM may have been paper trading on a sim account since 1999.
     
    #12     Sep 17, 2009
  3. Yeah it was real trading. Never tried sim trading. I imagine a bit of difference is expected since orders are not executed by the exchange.
     
    #13     Sep 17, 2009
  4. IB's feed aggregates AND drops ticks. This is very well known - just search the forums or google it. This is the price you pay for a feed which is a) free (with a little commission), but more importantly b) is not lagging during fast markets like you would see with tradestation / eSignal etc.

    And please no comparisons with feeds that cost thousands per month.
     
    #14     Sep 18, 2009
  5. IB aggregates ticks. They take a snapshot 6 times per second (I believe). Therefore, it is possible that a low tick might not be included, but instead aggregated. It happens.

    The IB backfill on the other hand is constructed in a way such that all the prices are shown. I forget the method, Kiwi has posted on it in the past.

    As the poster above mentions, during heavy trading IB data feed will not lag because it is not producing every tick. It works well for me.

    OldTrader
     
    #15     Sep 18, 2009
  6. I have heard that QT further aggregates it's data that it gets from IB. So some very high ticks and some very low ticks say on a 5-min chart will not be shown on QT's charts or T&S either. This doesn't happen very often, but it does happen. Now don't ask me who told me this or Jerry will kill me. Ooops, I just let it out. Now I have to go hide somewhere.
     
    #16     Sep 18, 2009

  7. Yeah, today I had both QT and IB TWS live ES charts side by side. I did see that TWS chart showed higher tops or lower bottoms on some occasions. So it seems there is some loss of ticks going from TWS to QT in addition to the IB source aggregation issue people mention above.
     
    #17     Sep 18, 2009
  8. rwk

    rwk

    This is very slightly offtopic. If you are using plain stop orders, when elected they become market orders which are not native on Globex. You might consider using stop/limit instead. The order will then be held at the exchange instead of simulated on IB's server. I have had some really bad fills with simulated market orders.
     
    #18     Sep 18, 2009
  9. I took a $1500 loss at IB from an unexecuted stopmarket order in march 2007, one of the worst days in my life.
     
    #19     Sep 18, 2009
  10. jjj1000

    jjj1000

    Hello,

    Regarding this issue, I am also an IB client and have seen some crazy things happening too. To this day, every time that I checked what happened, IB was not at fault, instead, it was the crazy spike nature of the ES to blame.

    I remember vividly one time in which I had a winning trade running with 1 point in my favor that suddenly was stopped at the price it was (with a 1 point profit). my stop was 1.5 points away from where it was stopped.

    After getting "shocked" and contacting IB and many other sources, I realized that in a fraction of a second (maybe 0.2 seconds) the ES hit my stop (1.5 points away) and came back to where it was, and the stop triggered at the best possible price at the time (with a profit). This was confirmed by several sources. Maybe it was a forced liquidation, who knows?

    I know that after I was stopped (with a small profit), in 1 or 2 seconds the ES FLEW against my position, many points. so this freakish stop saved me from a loss.

    The ES can do crazy things at times, and IB time & Sales does not include all trades.

    Cheers
     
    #20     Sep 18, 2009