IB no interest on first 10K rule, what do you do with the money?

Discussion in 'Interactive Brokers' started by Daal, Apr 5, 2007.


  1. Why not then just short the single stock futures to begin with if you want a market interest rate for ur short position? Why need to buy EFP after the short stock position is initiated?
     
    #131     Jul 6, 2007
  2. mnx

    mnx

    got it. thanks!

    - mnx
     
    #132     Jul 6, 2007
  3. trazan

    trazan

    You could, but the spreads are better using an EFP.
     
    #133     Jul 6, 2007
  4. rayl

    rayl

    This is a true statement. The idea of introducing the EFPs was to allow people already in positions to switch to SSFs, and to create a simpler arbitrage mechanism to keep SSF prices in line. EFPs are just a cheaper and simpler way to conduct opposite transactions in the SSF & underlying.
     
    #134     Jul 6, 2007
  5. mnx

    mnx

    can someone tell me what the margin used on this trade should be?

    long 100 shares BSX
    short 1 December BSX SSF

    It seems to be using 900$ in margin... Which makes no sense to me...

    On IB's margin page is says
    "5%*Stock Market Value" for maintenance margin requirement.... Shouldn't my margin used in the trade be like 75$?

    what am I missing here?

    - mnx
     
    #135     Jul 10, 2007

  6. I think u need to select IBEFP and trade it as a package in order to get the EFP margin
     
    #136     Jul 10, 2007
  7. dj8899

    dj8899

    I've looked into the EFP's a little bit and here's some tax info that may be useful (if it hasn't been mentioned already)

    1. All EFP income is considered short term gains and you'll get taxed at your applicable income tax rate.

    2. The 60/40 rule does not apple to SSF's. That is one of the reasons why SSF's aren't very popular yet

    3. You can't use an EFP with a high dividend and pay the 15% dividend tax rate instead of the regular income tax rate. This is because the position is perfectly hedged and the tax code specifically prohibits this.
     
    #137     Jul 10, 2007
  8. Look at initial margin, not maintenance margin. Should be 25% of the stock's value intraday, but if you hold thru the close of business, you will be required to have 50% of the stock's value as margin, or your position will be liquidated at the end of the day.
     
    #138     Jul 10, 2007
  9. dj8899

    dj8899


    sign up for portfolio margin and this won't be an issue
     
    #139     Jul 10, 2007
  10. This advice is useless for the majority of ETers.

    The people who qualify for portfolio margin are the ones who need EFPs the least, because their accounts are large enough that they're getting good interest rates on most of their credit balances.
     
    #140     Jul 10, 2007