IB Margin requirements rising as VIX falls, reaching nonsense levels

Discussion in 'Interactive Brokers' started by cruisecontrol, Apr 9, 2020.

  1. sprstpd

    sprstpd

    I am curious and I am trying to understand this statement. Here is my guess: you are a systems trader and your system was down because of the recent market crash but you would have made it all back and more on the latest upswing but IB's margin policies were so restrictive as to make this impossible?
     
    #51     Apr 15, 2020
  2. southall

    southall

    Been using IB for 15 years.
    Safety of funds was good.
    I have opened an account with AMP Futures today.
    I only trade intraday, as i only need to keep a tiny percentage of my funds with someone like AMP compared to IB.
    So if they blow up and take all my funds i wont lose that much anyway.
    Looking at the Rythmic API, its not java and costs $100 a month, but i think it should do everthing i need. Havent got the API docs yet so not sure but it looks promising.

    IB used to require about 4K margin for one NQ lot. That was high but just about bearable.
     
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2020
    #52     Apr 15, 2020
  3. maxinger

    maxinger


    I have IB account.
    I haven't use it for about a month already.
    But I will still keep my account open.

    perhaps many IB customers over traded and ended up very red,
    and IB has to tighten the screw very hard.

    There are other more attractive brokers
     
    #53     Apr 15, 2020
  4. d08

    d08

    Almost, my systems were up on the downswing and would have been up also on the upswing as well but I have an expectation of leverage of about 3:1. Due to how I'm trading, I will hit the current margin limits much faster (I can get less than 2:1 now with portfolio margin) now than expected, which results in liquidation at unfavorable prices and at a time of IB's choosing.
     
    #54     Apr 15, 2020
  5. I'm confused. Are you saying that:
    A) you have been getting autoliquidated so many times that you lost 100k from slippage and/or being unhedged
    B) you had to reduce leverage to avoid being autoliquidated, and this caused you to earn 100k less than you could have made with 3:1 leverage

    The way you phrased it sounds like A, but I'm thinking B makes more sense :p
     
    #55     Apr 15, 2020
  6. d08

    d08

    It's both. I reduced leverage but I still hit the limits. One can only neuter the strategy so much...
     
    #56     Apr 16, 2020
  7. Hivey

    Hivey

    I experienced the same, although not to such an extend. My main trade is to sell premium in SPX options, profiting from time decay, however, only to the extend I have sufficient capital to cover (with /ES futures), if need be. This strategy works like a gem and is very consistent, as long as you don't over leverage (i.e. write more than you can cover), which is what most people do and go bust once price goes against them.

    The issue I ran into is that due to IB's margin increase, I was all of a sudden over-leveraged, and I couldn't buy/sell sufficient ES contracts to cover my SPX option position when it went against me. I had to close out part of the position for a loss, which would not have been necessary had I had sufficient margin. The annoying thing is that you don't get a warning they will increase margin as of next week or what ever. You are all of a sudden confronted with it.

    I understand they do it to protect themselves, but in some cases, it can also increase risk, like in my case, as one cannot hedge to the same extend anymore as before the margin increase.
     
    #57     Apr 16, 2020
  8. OK. Well I hope you still made a healthy net profit overall (unclear from your posts).

    Btw it's really not that hard to stay inside IB's limits. You can query the margin requirements for all the stocks you trade using the API at the start of the day using "what-if" orders, and requirements don't change during the day. If you hold overnight you will need to keep a cushion large enough to absorb any one-day increase. 20% should be good for that.
     
    #58     Apr 16, 2020
  9. southall

    southall

    AMP Futures just removed intra day margin on crude oil futures same as overnight exchange
     
    #59     Apr 21, 2020
  10. southall

    southall

    AMP Futures not set CL to liquidation only.

    I wonder how much damage each broker out there has taken on CL, from any customer blow ups.
     
    #60     Apr 21, 2020