IB in Australia

Discussion in 'Interactive Brokers' started by traderjo, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Robert Morse

    Robert Morse Sponsor

    Not that simple.
     
    #21     Oct 11, 2017
  2. I heard some Australians complaining about the forex transaction costs charged by the big Aussie banks. IBKR charges close to spot rates while the Aussie banks charge around 3% based on what I heard. That is a rip-off if true. The really skeptical are raising conspiracy theory as to whether the regulator is getting too cosy with the big banks at the expense of consumers by denying consumers better priced competition. Anyway, I am not Australian and it is not my place to rant. I am getting worried whether the same thing can happen to my country (Singapore). Certainly, I hope not.

     
    #22     Oct 11, 2017
  3. JackRab

    JackRab

    Yeah, I think it's cost related... and probably a push from the domestic brokers (that are expensive) to kick out the others.

    I don't think IB clients necessarily want to trade options on the Australian market, since those are shit... to wide, not liquid... but they (me ;) ) want global coverage.

    Also, I think lot's of people in Australia trade FX, in which IB had issues with the ASIC. ASIC accused them of making markets in FX for clients without a MM license, which I believe is BS, since they provide the true market... and they kinda shrug their shoulders and left. And portfolio margin was an issue as well. Apparently it's fine for Australians to throw away millions at the Pokies or horse/dog racing... but when it comes to margin in a sophisticated trading risk-setup... that's not allowed.

    Fact is, IB is the only one that provides global trading and is relatively cheaper in fees. None of the brokers in Oz want that competition....
     
    #23     Oct 11, 2017
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  4. JackRab

    JackRab

    Rant is right on the mark :fistbump:
     
    #24     Oct 11, 2017
  5. traderjo

    traderjo

    I take your point about AUS not being a big market for IB .. but that depends upon which product... Infact ASX share trading with AUS brokers is so expensive and IB can kill that market segment with lower fees... or in the FX CFD space they can come is also! any way at the end of the day it has certainly left a bad test in mouth and IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD FOR THEM . ASIC is a respected regulator (although many believe it it sometimes acts like a toothless watchdog)
    Many aspects of AUS financial and other services market is dominated by duopoly/ monopoly or a group of 4.. and consumers are hungry for alternatives... IN IB case their customer service cost are distributed as they have staff spread across the globe so all they have to have is a skeleton staff in AUS.. so if IB is listening get your act together.. I rest my case :sneaky:
     
    #25     Oct 11, 2017
  6. JackRab

    JackRab

    @traderjo you can still trade with IB... you're just signed up to their USA office and can't trade spot-FX and on margin.

    @Epicurus, where did you read that IB resolved issues with ASIC?
     
    #26     Oct 11, 2017
  7. traderjo

    traderjo

    Keeping aside the conspiracy theory of ASIC protecting local boys

    - When you say "clients without a MM license, which I believe is BS, since they provide the true market."
    What you mean? Everybody who provides FX trading in AUS/ IG/Oanda etc has a AFSL
    be it MM or ECN
    Not rocket science and why is it BS?

    - Margin trading IS allowed in Australia for shares and for CFD ( built in margin)
    It is even more leveraged than T50 on quality stock it is 1:3 not 1:1

    Infact more innovative and sophisticated use of margin was turned in to a product few years ago called "Protected Equity Loan"
    Borrow 100%
    NO Margin Call
    NO prior trading history
    Retain ownership for dividend purpose
    Wonder how this would work ! do a search "Protected Equity Loan"
    US does not have such a product
     
    #27     Oct 11, 2017
  8. Epicurus

    Epicurus

    helpmeplease, appreciate that you like the country, but we can be a bit of a provincial backwater when it comes to trading services. IB won't have any problems picking up customers here if they offer decent service.

    OptionsXpress are in the process of transferring their platform over the Charles Swaab branding I understand, but they are basically the only other real competition here for traders wanting to access the US options market. They have been too expensive previously for local options trading in my view.

    I trade local ASX options through ANZ Bank, which bought out the earlier Etrade Australia operations, but I'd love IB and Swaab competing hard here to provide US market access.
     
    #28     Oct 11, 2017
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  9. traderjo

    traderjo

    I know I can trade with IB but my point is why are they not offering all the services to AUs consumers that they offer to retail clients around the world and US brokers liek OE do offer these services within AUS with ASIC compliance done and dusted
     
    #29     Oct 11, 2017
  10. JackRab

    JackRab

    For the same reason we get charged more for online goods and services... and we pay amongst the highest energy rates... etcetc..

    The 'regulators' are pencil pushing idiots who get blowjobs under the table by any domestic party with a large interest in keeping competition out.

    Progress is held back in Australia... the only progress that's possible is when you deliver a big sack of money to the right people....
     
    #30     Oct 11, 2017
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