IB Exposure Fee

Discussion in 'Interactive Brokers' started by mastacoli71, May 29, 2014.

  1. ofthomas

    ofthomas

    it is not costing them money if it is accomplishing the objective: to reduce their credit risk exposure to you...

    I dont get why everyone is complaining so much about the exposure fee... this is simple... if you get hit with it then you are over leveraged, period... and all they are doing is insuring themselves against your failure and nothing more... don't want to pay the fee? then trade within your means...
     
    #101     Jun 16, 2014
  2. risknav

    risknav

    A trader being “over leveraged” is subjective – very much so actually.

    A trader being (or not being) margin compliant is not, this can be determined in less than one second. In addition, and in IBs case, your position(s) will be liquidated in real-time should your excess liquidity go negative.

    The complaints about the exposure fee are justified.
     
    #102     Jun 16, 2014
  3. tiddlywinks

    tiddlywinks

    Sooo many other ways IB could handle this. They chose a fee. Being a public company is a bitch!

    An example of another way was initiated this month at a futures-only firm I deal with. It's an Equity-to-Margin ratio... in order to place a trade -or- hold open positions equity to margin ratio must be at least 5% (or greater than $500, whichever comes first) else face liquidation, where a liquidation fee is imposed only if not handled timely and properly by the client (meaning the risk department performed the liquidation). Equity to Margin ratio is net_liquidation_value/initial_margin. It's applied against all open and initiating positions combined.

    A simple, easy to compute, and effective way to prevent all-in trading with no cushion whatsoever. Applies to overnight and intraday margin requirements.
     
    #103     Jun 17, 2014
  4. they did not charge me for SAT /SUN.. so they charged for FRIDAY. and then MONDAY.
    .. so assuming u hold such positions all year.. u will be hit ~240 days a year..
    so ballpark . 0.7% APR. . not 1% APR. which we assumed earlier.
     
    #104     Jun 17, 2014
  5. 1245

    1245

    It's not a percentage. It's a fee per/$M exposure. It gets higher per $M as the risk increases.

    1245
     
    #105     Jun 17, 2014
  6. Funny, that.

    I'm increasing IB's credit risk exposure to me in terms of probability in order to generate additional revenue to cover the cost of the exposure fee.
     
    #106     Jun 18, 2014
  7. Gldr

    Gldr

    Most people will do that to compensate for the additional cost. So the only winner is IB, while for all traders the risk incraeses
     
    #107     Jun 19, 2014
  8. So I get charged an exposure fee for the 16th & 17th, but I don't get charged (yet?) an exposure fee for the 18th even though my position and risk profile remain unchanged.

    I'm not sure how to interpret this exposure fee nonsense.
     
    #108     Jun 19, 2014
  9. Gldr

    Gldr

    You will get charged, only on the stress test, you can only see it one day later..... It's a simple calculation, that's why it takes so long to calculate. :)
     
    #109     Jun 19, 2014

  10. gee.. i wish . i cud increase my exposure.. but .. i have ALWAYS maxed my exposure and leverage to the HILT.. ha ha.. no room for even a marginal increase. ha ha. as they say. leverage to your eye balls..

    shouldnt IB give us a bit more leverage so we can take on more risk and make more and be able to pay them this special shylock fee?
     
    #110     Jun 19, 2014