IB auto-liquidation

Discussion in 'Interactive Brokers' started by atrp2biz, May 19, 2017.

  1. Benihana

    Benihana

    Some people like IB's policy on auto-liquidation, but I think it's disgusting and not worth the risk of getting screwed by it. I guess it's a relatively cheap lesson for you to learn, but what happened to you was exactly what happened during the flash crash. This means IB is not and will not change how their auto-liquidation works.

    Basically have 3 choices. Continue with IB but with less leverage to mitigate the liquidation risk, trade the same and accept that risk, or find a new broker that uses an actual person for liquidations.
     
    #11     May 20, 2017
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  2. Chubbly

    Chubbly


    yes, they have been sued for doing it in the past

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-arbitration-interactive-auto-liquidat-idUSKBN0LM23620150218


    https://www.levinlaw.com/news/were-your-life-savings-auto-liquidated-your-broker
     
    #12     May 20, 2017
  3. FSU

    FSU

    I would be interested in knowing whether they filled the order as a spread or a separate order on each leg. Can you check time and sales and see?
     
    #13     May 20, 2017
  4. atrp2biz

    atrp2biz

    Appears to be simultaneous separate legs.
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    #14     May 20, 2017
  5. FSU

    FSU

    So it was filled as two separate orders not as a spread (from two exchanges)

    If it was entered as a spread, the fill price would have been much better. Seems very unreasonable that IB's program couldn't have entered the order as a spread.
     
    #15     May 20, 2017
  6. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    Doubtful the spread market would have been much better with 5 minutes to the close on a 1 lot.
    They needed to exit and they closed at the natural. I don't see any harm or foul here. Plus why didn't you close ? Gaming the last five minutes ?
    Had they reached out to you during the day to alert you ?
     
    #16     May 21, 2017
  7. atrp2biz

    atrp2biz

    I didn't close earlier in the day because both sides were ITM with AMZN trading >$967 most of the day and was away from my computer. I was expecting the legs to be exercised/assigned as had been the case many times before. Another thing they could have done was to force exercise my long leg.

    Did they reach out to me? You mean--a human? LOL.
     
    #17     May 21, 2017
  8. ajacobson

    ajacobson

    Both legs ITM - what was rhe spread ? That's all that counts. I didn't say anything about a human. Did they make you aware of the expiration issue at any point after Wednesday ? No point in making a call when customers don't answer. It's one of the oldest ploys in the option industry.

    They did exact;y what they needed to do. Being away from your computer with a spread with both side ITM doesn't relieve you of any responsibility - especially at expiration. People always "hide" at expiration - that's why every brokerage house has a set of rules.
     
    #18     May 21, 2017
  9. truetype

    truetype

    What was your margin situation coming into the close?
     
    #19     May 21, 2017
  10. atrp2biz

    atrp2biz

    What am I hiding from?

    I expected to be assigned and exercised in the worst case scenario. In a better scenario, I close the spread for anything less than $30 which I intended to do going into the close.

    I have zero issue with the act of the liquidation itself. I just would have thought it could have been filled for $30 or better. A limit order of $30.01 would have been picked off instantly. No?
     
    #20     May 22, 2017