True, no Timber Hill for starters. What yardstick could we ever use to find out whose technology is better? I did mention quite a few other things, though I see no point in arguing the prop vs. retail equation. Its been pretty played out in plenty of other places on this board. I was simply pointing out that the problem nasdaqmadness was having would not have been an issue if he were prop. I must admit I did then take that opportunity to point out a few other things that I now realize were already blatantly obvious to everyone here and for that unnecessary redundancy I wish to offer my sincere apologies.