IB Adaptive Algo: How Good Is It?

Discussion in 'Interactive Brokers' started by largib, Dec 9, 2022.

  1. Yeah, that’s it! By screwing IBKR customers with bad fills like piercing the NBBO often when I was making hundreds or a thousand day trades, I took comfort knowing if I was less informed I would get better fills. Makes sense to me now, thank you!
     
    #11     Dec 10, 2022
  2. largib

    largib

    So what algo would you suggest for a simple strategy that just wants to get the orders done in, say, less than one minute between at least 3 minutes after market open and 5-10 minutes before market close (thus some sort normal market hours)?
     
    #12     Dec 10, 2022
  3. largib

    largib

    Also, I had fully wanted to move to IB and expected IB to do better than TD and the results started to puzzle me and thus I delayed the move to further test.

    Another thing: I also experimented with IB's vanilla MKT orders and they seemed to perform worse than TD too.

    I am willing to further tweak to make IB work (at least no worse than TD) as IB seems to be more for traders than TD (or Etrade or any others). So please help to suggest something (will now start to switch to midprice to see)!
     
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2022
    #13     Dec 10, 2022
  4. Collagen

    Collagen

    Adaptive algorithms are mainly used for futures trading. There is a good discussion on the forum by db01 (who is very knowledgeable on the subject) that explains in detail his findings about midprice/adaptive algorithms. In short, adaptive algorithms use time in their calculations of entry points, so they are delayed (as you can see with the different types, such as patient, normal, etc.). My findings show that they are not suitable for use during high volatility as the slippage taken can be significant (for example, in MNQ ES futures). Therefore, my conclusion is that it is best to avoid using them. However, they may be useful for trading illiquid futures, such as rough rice or milk. If You trade stocks try to use Midprices algo. (not supported by futures though)
     
    #14     Dec 10, 2022
    trade4succes and largib like this.
  5. largib

    largib

    These were large cap US stocks. Nothing fancy
     
    #15     Dec 10, 2022
  6. My understanding: For example, if IB only sends your orders directly to the market without selling the order flow, your order is 100 shares and the order book has 50 shares on it, then you get a fill for 50 and the other 50 at a worst price. Market makers might want to take your entire 100 shares at the best price (if they believe the average Ameritrader is a typical retiree investor instead of an informed laser focussed day trader), even if the order book has only 50 shares on it.
     
    #16     Dec 10, 2022
  7. joshv06

    joshv06

    I read at one time that the feature to use algo is only for the IBKR PRO Users. I didn't see any mention of it in your post...
     
    #17     Dec 14, 2022
  8. Do you have a link for these discussion please?
    cannot find it.
     
    #18     Jan 19, 2023