I would like to discuss averaging down

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by Daring, Sep 1, 2012.

  1. ammo

    ammo

    spy,on a 1 day mp,at the moment nip 1 is s/r,above we go to cleave 2, below we make a tail 3, edit we got the tail, dvol over uvol ratio is now 2.8/1,if you were watching this you would have stayed short and not picked a bottom, now we are in the cleave of the 4 hr chart with that tl and ledge around 144.68,you like to reduce here, any part of the cleave is a touch and a possible reverse, i will wait ,watching that ratio,if it doesn't shrink, sit tight
     
    #341     Sep 25, 2012
  2. ammo

    ammo

    if we can break 44, we could see 40,then 31 area
     
    #342     Sep 25, 2012
  3. Interesting.

    Averaging down is not really of interest for me as I am not interested in averaging down. At least not with my current methodology. But I always keep an open mind.

    Questions:

    1) Why is it a mystery how he does it?

    I certainly understand how averaging down can be profitable, but there is no doubt that there are ways of trading that are more profitable and less risky. If you are to do it though, I think it`s mandatory to have very strict rules for how you enter and when to exit (and respect it).

    2) How do you know how much money he makes?

    3) How do you know how much money he loses?

    I`ve seen a few averagers on this site post trade entries, but there is no transparency, so I really don`t know how much size they`re holding when winning and losing. I`ve seen a few here who average down and according to themself holds their maximum size, then moves their stop AGAIN, and adds even more, only to puke it all at the very top.

    I suspect that a lot is given back on those rare occassions where they refuse to admit they`re wrong, assume high leverage and pukes at the turning point after a 50 point adverse move.
     
    #343     Sep 25, 2012
  4. ammo

    ammo

    no system will work without good management, have to respect the rules,this forces you to use common sense when your emotions are trying to take over
     
    #344     Sep 25, 2012
  5. ammo

    ammo

    still flatlining
     
    #345     Sep 25, 2012
  6. ammo

    ammo

    5.4 to 1
     
    #346     Sep 25, 2012
  7. ammo

    ammo

    you could get out here at 31 or 32 es against the cash at 1437 or hold for the 1403 cash below, normallymthat wide nip on the right would provide supp but you have a 2nd gap below and the riots in spain are bearish, so a compromise would be to reduce the short at 31 or 32
     
    #347     Sep 26, 2012
  8. ammo

    ammo

    on a larger timeframe ,6 month, the nip in cash is 38-33
     
    #348     Sep 26, 2012
  9. ammo

    ammo

    got flat at 32 and 29,when you hit a lrge nip,you've reached target ,could be support or continue thru but whichever direction it's going ,go with it to target,an up move would test the cleave ,or the nip could fail and we drop to next target this is just using mp alone in one timeframe example,you need to check it against multiple timeframes, you can add in correlating markets and trendlines,recognized patterns
     
    #349     Sep 27, 2012
  10. lol, you make it sound so easy (not making a mockery).

    I printed this out, pasted it next to my machine.

     
    #350     Sep 27, 2012