I would like to discuss averaging down

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by Daring, Sep 1, 2012.

  1. ammo

    ammo

    notated ch
     
    #111     Sep 19, 2012
  2. Hey riffraffpatrol,

    I would be very interested in the seeing the Profit and Loss curves of your T3 trading mentors. You mentioned in another thread that their trading results are 100% transparent. Could you please provide a link which illuminates their actual real-time trading results?
    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=220746&perpage=6&pagenumber=144

    I will reserve my judgment of their trading prowess until I see the results. I have no doubt that they are excellent marketers.

    In regards to Averaging Down ... in general it is a bad idea but for some trading strategies it can be part of the edge.

    For new traders, it is typically just a way to postpone the pain of taking a loss. Of course, the pain often then turns into a life threatening injury!

    It all boils down to whether it increases the net profit of the system without subjecting one's account to undue risk.
     
    #112     Sep 19, 2012
  3. deucy28

    deucy28

    This thread is not about pair trading, I know. So this is my last post to illustrate my description of "adding on" to what otherwise would be labeled as a losing trade. (Erroneously looked upon as "averaging down.")


    <img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=3630794>
     
    #113     Sep 19, 2012
  4. I hear ya, I have my own version of spreading over in forex and doubt my averaging down (and up) strategy would work if I was outright directional
     
    #114     Sep 19, 2012
  5. Dustin

    Dustin

    Fine I'll bite. Here's one trade from this morning. I thought it could be done around 31, but maybe go to 32. How would you have handled the trade?
     
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    #115     Sep 19, 2012
  6. Risk of ruin is calculated by what you are putting at risk... account size.. and a presumption of win/loss probability. Any edge definitely has a risk of ruin.
     
    #116     Sep 19, 2012
  7. Will check out after market.
     
    #117     Sep 19, 2012
  8. SatMir-- not sure I understand the response...?

    R U denying this is true?

    Because it most certainly is 100% true-- a reversion to the mean will ALWAYS occur. Not subject to debate.

    The issue is where will the mean be relative to entry-- therein lies the risk of relying on this type of indicator for a primary trade decision.
     
    #118     Sep 19, 2012
  9. yes
     
    #119     Sep 19, 2012
  10. I have no idea what their actual track record is.

    I do know that you can find out for yourself-- as they call out trades on their twitter feed for free... and post real time entries and exits in their Virtual trade floor.. of which you can listen in on their radio as they explain the thesis behind entries/exits. Just watch Redler on his videos and the calls he makes on bloomberg/cnbc/his daily recap/morning call/pricepoint sheet/off the chart newsletters...

    These guys are pure TA that trade supply and demand- key pivot areas... breakouts/counters/join the trend on pullbacks... you name it.

    The transparency is there.
     
    #120     Sep 19, 2012