I think I figured out why trading can never work for so many people

Discussion in 'Trading' started by ChkitOut, Mar 2, 2013.

  1. eurusdzn

    eurusdzn

    In the spirit of ET Woody your are simply 3 or 4 standard deviations from the mean.
    Hey, someone has to be that .....right !

    Wait a minute ...32 ticks a day in the 30 year.....isn't that a full point a day.
    I was ok with the boat but.......
     
    #121     Mar 5, 2013
  2. eurusdzn

    eurusdzn

    You don't know that recall of such precise minutia spanning decades
    is not entirely impossible, but the desire to provide it is extremely suspect of a
    Wealthy 70 year old. You are no stranger to Internet confrontation yet you should be.
    Just opinion, one old fella to another.:)
     
    #122     Mar 5, 2013
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    #123     Mar 5, 2013
  4. I personally wouldn't buy a seat on the exchange. maybe rent, but not buy. there is too much principle risk right now.

    I remember the day oil went under $10 and we all knew it would go lower. it did. and we figured it would base for a bit before recovering. not sure if that happened.

    anyhow, just lease a seat.

    and tell Baldwin i'm sick of him showing 1,000 bid, only to turn around and hit my 24 bid for 300 and then take the market to 21, all offer.
     
    #124     Mar 5, 2013
  5. I don't know if this Woody guy is for real but he did give one very important piece of advice---

    "Go big or go home"

    folks are scalping small tick/range/renko charts, using 5 tick stops, piking it with 1 lot, ..... all in effort to control risk

    you can waste years of your life playing it safe that way and have nothing to show for it

    unless you're already wealthy or have other sources of income it makes no sense to play the game that way--- you could make the same amount of money or more for a hundred times less stress and effort in a 9-5 job

    go big or go home

    everyone gets into trading for the money.... and for a typical low funded trader.... the only way to get it is to embrace risk, not hide from it

    better to blow your 15k and be forced out of the game quickly than to spend 10 years scratching out a meagre living only to finally realize that this will never be a moneymaker for you.
     
    #125     Mar 5, 2013
  6. i sort of agree with you.

    imo, newbs like to bank small profits because it feels good at the moment but it leads to a perpetual rut.

    more importantly they develop bad habits early and reinforce them day after day after day.

    to me, by go big or go home is learn to swing the entire day and go for 7-8-9-10 points on the es for example or an equivalent move on other securities..

    even if you have no edge at all, swinging for fat points at least allows you to get "lucky" and perhaps stay afloat longer. its impossible to get lucky scalping.
     
    #126     Mar 5, 2013
  7. dom993

    dom993

    I believe WoodyK is talking about position size & number of trades, rather than average net per contract.

    What I don't get, is the reason to go in Europe to do automated trading of the US 30-year bond. What you need is a Chicago-based server (even better, Aurora-based), two for redundancy purpose, and let your system trade 24/7.
     
    #127     Mar 5, 2013
  8. Our group watches traders daily both SIM and LIVE... This is a very hard business. Very doable but very hard.

    As the old saying goes "trading is the hardest way to make easy money."

    mp
     
    #128     Mar 5, 2013
  9. WoodyK

    WoodyK

    NO 32 ticks is an accurate average. Admittedly the sample size is only a few weeks but being in Europe guarantees that number to be on point- I assure you.

    I have zero reason to blow smoke up your ass. And yes, we were pleasantly surprised to discover how we'll it works.

    I have a house I stole in Vegas that I just love. Picking up and traveling like a gypsy in France, UK, etc is not a decision taken lightly. Not at my age.

    We need to up contracts beyond 100 lot and maintain ticks.

    Btw I was just told having a boat is an invitation to be hassled. I was told on good authority the Greek Coast Guard is a bitch and they not only don't stay where they belong in their own waters but you are constantly "boarded." Reconsidering...

    Woody
     
    #129     Mar 5, 2013
  10. WoodyK

    WoodyK

    Ha Ha. Baldwin didn't take my third call after I told him how well his advice to trade 5 minute chart worked on our system. You'll have to tell him yourself.

    I wanted to know how many multiples of 100 lot we could do without much slippage. Perhaps you could PM me.

    Woody
     
    #130     Mar 5, 2013