I never saw volatility like this

Discussion in 'Trading' started by ByLoSellHi, Jan 23, 2008.

  1. Definitely more program trading between 2 - 4 pm these days. Bots are taking over the trading as you get computers buying and selling futures in bunches in seemingly chaotic fashion.
     
    #11     Jan 23, 2008
  2. noddyboy

    noddyboy

    I saw it yesterday in hong kong...up 10% in one day!
     
    #12     Jan 23, 2008
  3. DonKee

    DonKee

    Over the past 2 years the daily range on the ES was most often around 10 handles, with many days below 10.

    The average range over the past 3 days has been approximately 70 handles or about 5.5%.

    While many firms have gone to full margin for day trades, do not be suprised if the margins at the CME get increased, too.

    This is a great time to be trading the ES. :)
     
    #13     Jan 23, 2008
  4. More rapidly after 3 yes, but VIX dropped over 5 pts since 1 pm

     
    #14     Jan 23, 2008
  5. i LOVE volatility
     
    #15     Jan 23, 2008
  6. I just had my second most profitable day ever.
     
    #16     Jan 23, 2008
  7. <i>"Completely agree, austinp."

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    "Definitely more program trading between 2 - 4 pm these days. Bots are taking over the trading as you get computers buying and selling futures in bunches in seemingly chaotic fashion."</i>

    Many of us here have seen VIX in the 40s, 60s and higher before. But, it was different in years past. Trading the exact-same entries back then as now would have been good for +70pts to +100pts ES in 2002. Instead I managed to eke out +35 and quit too early today.

    The difference? Insane counter-trend rips going both directions all day. I had more than -35pts slippage against long positions holding for a highly expected squeeze to at least 1322 if not 1339 magnets.

    Never before have I seen so many +8pt pops followed by -12pt drops, all the way thru today and past few sessions. Clearly the bots have changed this game dramatically. I'm working a 250-tick chart using tight initial stops, taking a bunch of pars and tiny losses in between catching directional pushes.

    The trades that go +5pts and back out at par continue to drive me nuts... short trip that it may be (laugh)

    We should see some smoother sailing for awhile, now that a temporary bottom is likely in place.
     
    #17     Jan 23, 2008
  8. Just because you didn't see or get the news doesn't mean there was none.

    New York State Insurance regulators meeting with banks to discuss capital infusions in order to prevent downgrades to ratings.
     
    #18     Jan 23, 2008
  9. samus

    samus

    Could not agree more... I tend to do the majority of my trading during the morning hours and find it a little easier (gaps and all), but the afternoons are brutal with the whipsaws... still making good profits, but I definitely have to work harder for them.
     
    #19     Jan 23, 2008
  10. S2007S

    S2007S


    a close below 1275 would have been a big problem for these markets.

    Now this market may get a little difficult to trade....
     
    #20     Jan 23, 2008