I almost totally agree with your statements. My two paragraphs were just a way to show how ridiculous the present US foreign politics discourse of 'we will bring democracy to the rest of the world' is a complete nonsense. If the US government has done what it has done, it is because it had self interest to do it...and not to promote democracy.
You are waiting for a list of countries that have been benefited by US actions? I wish you would have read my posts... I referred to many situations where countries of the world have been benefited. You say that I am influenced by the fact that I am living in the US, but I tell you again, I am not 100% pro US in all of its policies, domestic and foreign, but I can objectively say without doubt that the positives outweigh the flaws. It is hard to see your viewpoint that there is no need for a balance of power in the world. I think that perhaps it is you who are influenced, my friend. Where is the joke in taking the role of aiding free and sovereign nations in their fight against those seeking to take that freedom? Why is it a joke to say that there is always "good" and "evil" and that "evil" must be balanced by "good"? These are relative terms of course, there is always greater and lesser evils, or greater and lesser goods, but a good way to judge would be to say which is better for mankind? So which outcome was better for mankind in WW2? Why is it a joke look at a war between Nazi Germany and much of Europe and cite this as an example of "good" triumphing over "evil"? Certainly invading forces seeking to take down governments and gain territorial expansion through war and colonization is worse than those which are defending themselves. According to you the world does not need balances of power. According to you everytime that balance is tipped in favor of an aggressor we should be isolationists. We should not aid our allies. We did not need to defeat Nazism. We did not need a cold war. Kuwait did not need to be liberated from Iraq. South Korea did not neet to be defended against the North. America has no right to defend itself against her enemies. Again, it seems clear that it is YOU who are influenced.
If you prefer to see it this way, this is your problem. You will for sure live very happy with this kind of conviction. The joke is you are still believing in what you hear... that the US is the good and the others the evil. That is so funny to hear that it says it all. And please, do not interpret my saying, I really do prefer.
I am not believing in anything that I hear at all. You keep saying that for some reason. Is your country so full of bias and naivety that as a result you believe the rest of the world is full of mindless lemmings who cannot think for themselves? The US population is split down the middle on many issues, including the Iraq war. There are plenty of debates and differences of opinion within the country itself. You do not seem to understand this. Again, where is the joke? I am reading from history. I have given you examples that you asked for of how US reaction to world events has been of benefit to other countries or mankind in general. I am not so convicted that if you came back with some logical rationale showing otherwise that I would not change my opinion. I do not see you refute any of those examples. You only answer back that it is a joke.
Quote from Hamlet: I am not believing in anything that I hear at all. You keep saying that for some reason. Is your country so full of bias and naivety that as a result you believe the rest of the world is full of mindless lemmings who cannot think for themselves? The US population is split down the middle on many issues, including the Iraq war. There are plenty of debates and differences of opinion within the country itself. You do not seem to understand this. You don't understand just because of the reasons I gave you here above... Again, where is the joke? I am reading from history. I have given you examples that you asked for of how US reaction to world events has been of benefit to other countries or mankind in general. I am not so convicted that if you came back with some logical rationale showing otherwise that I would not change my opinion. I do not see you refute any of those examples. You only answer back that it is a joke. You didn't give me any answer to my question : 'give us a list of nations where US interventionism has brought freedom, peace and (or) true democracy'. May I help you a little bit : Panama ? Haiti ? Korea ? Kosovo ? Iraq ? Vietnam ? Chili ? Uruguay ? El Salvador ? Nicaragua ? Granada ? Guatemala ? And what about making China the most-favoured-nation ?
You don't acknowledge any example I gave you over and over, so I ask you now - do you wish US did not react and intervene in ww2 to join allies, liberate europe and defeat Hitler?
You didn't give any list... you see... and haven't been able to understand that all these countries were already strong democracies and that the US haven't been the ONE to defeat nazis, but have been part of the countries who defeated them, most of the work having been made by the communists. But I'm sure you've been taught all through your studies that the US have been the one and only one to defeat the nazis...
Yes the Eastern front is what did the Nazis in, but it's disingenuous to allude that the U.S. played a minor role in defeating nazism when infact vast amounts of raw material, finished armaments and a lot of manpower and technological support was indeed provided by the U.S. The U.S. could have easily stood aside and let the europeans kill each other off. It should be noted that Canada also played a pivotal role in the war yet they don't run around thumping their chests about it.
You keep asking for a list of countries which have benefited from US intervention, and I keep giving you examples, but yet you continue to ask for a list. I will ask you again. Since you keep saying that you wish the US would go away and not intervene in world affairs since those interventions never benefit any country, do you wish that the US did not react and join the allies in ww2 to liberate Europe, and defeat Hitler? Don't respond again and say that the US was not the only one to win the war, as I have not implied that and it has nothing to do with the question. You also keep saying that these are existing democracies. Isn't helping to preserve democracy and sovereignty a benefit? If you meant to ask where new democracies have resulted from US intervention, that is a separate question, and the answer lies in more recent history of which I am sure that you are aware.
Quote from Hamlet: You keep asking for a list of countries which have benefited from US intervention, and I keep giving you examples, but yet you continue to ask for a list. Could you please quote here your list, because I couldn't find it anywhere... So once again I ask you for this fabulous list. I will ask you again. Since you keep saying that you wish the US would go away and not intervene in world affairs since those interventions never benefit any country, do you wish that the US did not react and join the allies in ww2 to liberate Europe, and defeat Hitler? Don't respond again and say that the US was not the only one to win the war, as I have not implied that and it has nothing to do with the question. You also keep saying that these are existing democracies. Isn't helping to preserve democracy and sovereignty a benefit? If you meant to ask where new democracies have resulted from US intervention, that is a separate question, and the answer lies in more recent history of which I am sure that you are aware. Here we are. The only cases where democracy has been saved was through a large effort of a large number of countries to do something together for the benefit of everyone, not when the US is doing it on its own way through self interventionism, refusing to hear what the others are telling them. And I don't need to say it myself, you have come to it on your own. You see, you just needed someone to help you using your brain and getting out of this 'one way thinking' and strongly biased view of the world.