I hear covered call sellers are making a killing in this market

Discussion in 'Options' started by stock777, Aug 1, 2007.

  1. dont

    dont

    I would think selling covered calls at these high vols might be a good strategy if you plan to hold the stock.
     
    #21     Aug 2, 2007
  2. ssmegner

    ssmegner

    Yes. If you are married to the stock then covered calls are a way to enhance returns if the stock is not called away or reduce your loss if the stock tanks. Whether holding the stock is a good idea is a whole other discussion. A better strategy, though usually not the best strategy, is to buy a LEAP rather than the stock and wrtite calls agains the LEAP. Risks are lowered and returns enhanced. Time decay and vol changes add 2 more dimensions to price. So which strategy is best at any given time you have to consider at least 3 dimensions of price, vol and time.
     
    #22     Aug 2, 2007
  3. I was in my broker's office today. He tried to tell me that covered calls were the only options trades allowed in an IRA because of IRS rules. When I disagreed with him he went to talk to their "options specialist", who verified my point.
     
    #23     Aug 2, 2007
  4. ssmegner

    ssmegner

    That old IRS rules is yet another broker con job. The IRS has no rules about the IRA. Any decent broker will allow you to do any strategy in your IRA except for naked calls and short stock. The reason those 2 are not possible is that you may be at your contribution limit for the year and unable to contribute to meet a margin call.
     
    #24     Aug 2, 2007
  5. nikko309

    nikko309

    The ignorance of the user does not change the risk of the strategy. Naked puts and covered calls have the same risk/reward profile and barring any small price discrepancy, the puts have the advantage.

    The reason for the selling restrictions is the danger of leverage due to lower margin requirements for options.
     
    #25     Aug 2, 2007
  6. jnbadger

    jnbadger

    Check out Think or Swim.

    They'll let you do anything with predefined risk, including naked puts.

    Your broker is full of shit when he tells you it's an IRS guideline. It's firm specific.
     
    #26     Aug 2, 2007
  7. jnbadger

    jnbadger

  8. 1) I have a non-IRA account at TOS. After I get a little better at trading options I'll open an IRA there.

    2) I think we should start using the term "cash covered puts". I don't think TOS or anyone will let you do real naked puts in an IRA.

    3) That's what I told him, using more polite words.
     
    #28     Aug 2, 2007
  9. Opra

    Opra

    To clarify, TOS will let you sell naked put secured by cash available in your IRA acct (so does IB). But then there will not be much of leverage. However you can sell put spread in IRA to reduce the "margin".
     
    #29     Aug 2, 2007
  10. jnbadger

    jnbadger

    2) I think we should start using the term "cash covered puts". I don't think TOS or anyone will let you do real naked puts in an IRA.

    Correct. The word "naked" has been thrown around fairly loosely in the past.
     
    #30     Aug 3, 2007