these indicators are used both for long term and short term trading. in day trading i notice when using a stochastic or any other moving average i notice that the lines dip and rise above and below a negative positive line or when they crossover they tend to pull back and then do down again. then when the chart moves over to the next time frame they tend to "crack" and then solidify again. my question is when do you act apon these indicators? when they make the formation you are looking for in a setup and then retract? when would you get in? sometimes they look like a hair flying in the wind. there is no actual breakout. if you look at past short term charts they are already formed out and look like great indicators. i find them very hard to time. any similar experiences and thoughts from traders would be appreciated.