I Got this one wrong guys.....

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Max E., Apr 9, 2020.

  1. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    You know full well a 100 people will apply the MACD or any other indicator differently when someone does not provide any example application.

    Thus, what I see involving the MACD on my chart will be differently than what you see via your data provider, chart settings and such.

    Now you cough up a little piece of info...less than 25 trades. Someone else has different stats of less than 42 trades and another has stats of 14 trades...

    All using the same thing. Surely, someone can provide one example chart, some statistical data results...something beyond just making philosophical statements about MACD or any other indicator.

    Seriously, to say there's less than 25 trades...how long would that take you to list that, download the info or even post ONE chart example ???

    A few minutes maybe ???


    wrbtrader
     
    #111     Apr 14, 2020
  2. you can get the chart on google also
     
    #112     Apr 14, 2020

  3. i am gonna list it for you, but i truly and respectfully do NOT understand how you say each trader with each provider can have different MACD and different amount of trades, here it is, with arrows on the chart itself above and below the bars on each of its cross over, standard settings, standard daily chart,, any one applying MACD with such should have the same chart, whats next ?? the price i see is different from the price you see??
     
    #113     Apr 14, 2020
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    #114     Apr 14, 2020
  5. themickey

    themickey

    Hmmm, in that uptrend a trader will be eaten alive by slippage, brokerage and losing trades, which btw is standard fare with MACD.
     
    #115     Apr 14, 2020

  6. Slippage and brokerage?? are you in the 80s still paying $45 a trade and got slippage on the S&P??? losings trades yes,,, but the winners offset it drastically, in matter fact the losing trades is because the trend has been relentless upwards, causing indicators to naturally have to "reset" Which in a way gets you back in to the upside after a failed sell signal, you should look at the chart again with your eye glasses and do the obvious math, any ways, this happens to be a winning 9 months but it isn't always the case with every instrument, the point here is simple, you wont be too wrong for too long with such basic indicators
     
    #116     Apr 14, 2020
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  7. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    You know I never stated the price was different even though its proven that different data providers will often show differences in their data...small enough differences that anyone using more than one data provider will notice the differences.

    Regardless, I stated different "chart settings" as in different settings for the MACD or any other indicator. For example, if someone states they use moving average crossovers and nothing else...no chart example.

    We wouldn't know if the person is talking about simple moving averages, exponential moving averages, 10 / 50 crossovers, 50 / 100 crossovers, 50 / 200 crossovers or whatever.

    Its the primary reason why traders will have different statistical results assuming they've backtested their crossovers. That is the only reason why I asked you for a chart example...with your chart example...

    I can then correlate the visual info on my chart to then "backtest what you stated" to see if such truly would have helped Max even though its so easy to use "hindsight analysis" to tell someone if they have been using something else they would have not had that problem...

    Regardless to the fact that Max had a discipline problem with the trade when he continue adding when the FED begin pumping unprecedented amounts of money (2 trillion dollars) into the economy along with lowering rates to levels never seen in prior Pandemics.

    It was not an indicator problem.

    Simply, it doesn't matter what indicator (basis, custom, standard) Max had used...if he does not stick to his trading plan and violate his rules...the trade will become a problem trade because indicators do not fix discipline problems.

    Just in case you missed my point...I will state it again but differently.

    Indicators do not fix discipline problems, does not fix trade psychology problems, does not fix over leverage misuse, does not fix risk/rewards problems, does not fix any problems outside of the chart of the trade...the same is true for any price pattern.

    Therefore, the problems will continue existing no matter what indicator Max had changed...its not the indicator...the problem is Max. Hopefully, that was very clear to you.

    wrbtrader
     
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2020
    #117     Apr 14, 2020
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  8. themickey

    themickey

    Fantastic ideas!
    Shhhhh, but not too loud, someone else may discover this secret to wealth and market it on the internet for a profit.
    The alternative, all of ET will jump on this idea, we will all get wealthy.
     
    #118     Apr 14, 2020
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  9. Indicators do not fix discipline problems, does not fix trade psychology problems, does not fix over leverage misuse, does not fix risk/rewards problems, does not fix any problems outside of the chart of the trade...the same is true for any price pattern.

    great truth
     
    #119     Apr 14, 2020

  10. lol, dont tell any one mickey
     
    #120     Apr 14, 2020