I feel like giving up!

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by Unquestionably, Feb 1, 2011.

  1. Gentlemen, I did not say I was losing money. All I said was 'I feel like giving up' b/c I'm making the same as a McJob, which completely sucks!
     
    #81     Feb 9, 2011
  2. nLepwa

    nLepwa

    Trading is certainly very bad if your goal is to get rich. There are a lot of much easier ways.

    Personally, even if I wasn't successful at it I wouldn't do something else. Financial markets are my passion and that's why I trade. The money is a by-product.

    Beside in trading as in most businesses almost only the passionate people that really like the job are successful. The others are struggling.

    Ninna
     
    #82     Feb 9, 2011
  3. For anyone reading this thread and wondering why they cant achieve their backtested returns, I urge you to consider something I have recently found with my own trading:

    I noticed a huge discrepancy between my trading and backtesting that took me months to figure out. I would test a method and even front test it without putting cash on it. Then, I would apply a new set of r/r to make the method *more* profitable, and it would flop.

    Finally, I investigated my stats. I found that by applying additional r/r filters, i screwed up the win % of my system. I took a 70% setup (when traded with all setups >.75 r/r) and brought it down to 45% by trading only setups with at least 1.5 r/r.

    I know this seems like a small thing, but I am sure many make similar mistakes. Whatever you do to find a profitable system, make sure to replicate it to a *t* and dont assume the market will conform to any beliefs you have. Everything must be executed and tested using the exact criteria during back/front testing.
     
    #83     Feb 9, 2011
  4. deaddog

    deaddog

    Why is that? Not making enough per trade?
    Not making enough trades?
    Not having enough capital?
    Not having a defined edge?
     
    #84     Feb 9, 2011
  5. Not enough opportunities to trade. (wish the stock market went 3X faster).

    Not enough liquidity. (you can't put down more than 100K into a trade w/o the manipulator noticing and making your life miserable or abandoning the manipulation altogether, leaving you holding the bag => I don't mean those stocks that go up maybe 5% in 6 months!).
     
    #85     Feb 9, 2011
  6. time to dig deep...gut check...go to the hole one more time...ask Mr. Michael Jordan...
     
    #86     Feb 9, 2011
  7. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    Have you considered trading something that really moves and provides several intraday swings, like CL (oil), 6E (euro)?

    I get about 15-20 trades out of CL daily and make a decent living trading mainly 1 contract.

    AAPL's a nice mover, too, though a bit stuck lately; plenty of liquidity in that one.
     
    #87     Feb 9, 2011
  8. trade 50 contracts of Soybeans from 10:30 to 10:35 am EST...now that is movement!
     
    #88     Feb 9, 2011
  9. But wouldn't that mean another five years of learning curve?
     
    #89     Feb 9, 2011
  10. There are tens of trillions dollars changing hands each day in world markets. The money can be made and lost is .....
    Everyone should see being a trader as a only profession; anything else is just a hobby. Be preapred to Do it in a long haul, in baby but steady steps. :)
     
    #90     Feb 9, 2011