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# I cant make trading work for me

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by iamthagod, Jan 25, 2021.

1. ### Oualid_el

Hello,

If you wanna be successful in trading (swing/ day trading or scalping it doesn't matter) you must have a whole system, and to do so you should have a precise criteria of selection for the stocks you want to trade, a strategy that you have backtested enough to have confidence in it and it's rules and which has proven it's efficiency with a decent winrate, plus a strict money management ( once you take a trade you know where's your target and you place your stop loss, once you are in you forget about it because if you have donce what i said before the edge is with you as long as you have taken the trade) that's the only way to succeed in this journey and to build that confidence

If you don't have them you better stop trading and go to the backtest and develop them or look for someone who's doing well to teach you, it's better than throwing your money from the window and living that stress especially in your current financial situation.

#51     Feb 7, 2021

Exactly, one should have the sufficient knowledge of trading before investing their money. Beginners become impatient and in the end are left with loss. I usually prefer and advise everyone to practice on demo accounts first.

#52     Feb 8, 2021

Every forex trader goes through this phase where he thinks that it’s enough for me as it’s not working. I think that’s the transition phase. You must understand that once you take a step back

and quit trading, you will lose the confidence to start trading again. I will suggest you give yourself time to work upon the things that brought your moral down.

#53     Feb 9, 2021
4. ### murray t turtle

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Sounds like you have a good mind/not that you are God=big \big mistake.
It takes a good mind to be afraid of losing money when one doesnt know what he is doing.Its good not to have confidence/arrogance when you dont know what an uptrend is/or bear trend[20% move down\
Its called deception when you pretend you are God or pretend its all about your self confidence.

Dont know if you made the mistake of leveraging ignorance like i did, when we were starting;
but i did so terrible my first year /i proved 100% that markets are not random. I did far/far worse than random.................................................................................Average fund manager cant beat long term SPY average of 10% @ year.[Edit the reason i mentioned deception; its not helpful to pretend its about self confidence when starting in SEPT/good question]

Last edited: Feb 11, 2021
#54     Feb 11, 2021
5. ### iamthagod

Good evening and thank you for all your replies. So an update.

It seems I am facing a reaaally huge mental discomfort when trading/swinging at the moment. The thought that I do not have any short of income from any source is what probably makes me feel so stressed. I tried to swing $RUN on Monday for the uptrend that followed, but I got totally depressed when the stock tanked$2 under my entry. As a result, with the first chance, I bailed out with a minor gain of 30 cents p/s, only to see my abandoned swing trade working its way up to $7 p/s, should I have kept my position... Yesterday I tried one more time to swing a$1.10 (100 shares) penny stock and couldnt even hold it for 2 hours.
So I continued by paper trading only, and with my PTA I was at a 90%+ win rate from Tuesday through Friday, which is so weird and suspicious, because I do not know (and it might sound funny) if my trades, however small they might be, have a different impact on the market when performed live.
My plan is to continue papertrading, while at the same time improve my knowledge, try to find a job to at least have some sort of income which will potentially reduce the performance strain I put on myself...

#55     Feb 12, 2021
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6. ### ironchef

Sounds like a good plan.

Good luck.

#56     Feb 14, 2021
7. ### treeman

Great quote. Also not appropo for day traders. And one reason day trading is extremely hard to scale. Livermore said this after realizing that day trading was small potatoes.

#57     Feb 14, 2021
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8. ### zghorner

Day trading sucks imo. Too taxing on the emotions. Too hard to make decent money. Basically what I am saying is...I suck at day trading lol.

#58     Feb 14, 2021
9. ### treeman

I don’t really get the day trading grind. I can enumerate the reasons, and it’s long- but it starts and stops with- daily/weekly sticks are just so much easier. Way less noise. I know profitable breakout traders (I don’t love this type either, but I get it- upside is limiting, and too much work, imo) who have gotten there in weeks. Read a book. Or follow Scott Reddler on Twitter. He’s free and he works. Way too much trading for me, but his methods and trading are top notch. And live.

Longer term positions allow me to scale and just sit. Livermore actually wrote his own 7ish chapter book on how he traded and scaled positions. Much of it is still valid today- though I use different signals then he did. And margin worked differently back then. How he went 50x leverage on equities without going negative on a positional hold? margin calls had to have worked differently back then. Everyone is wrong by 2%, even if only once in a while. He laddered in (3 traunches) in a suboptimal way too.

he also got bored and would place trades around his positions. Nearest I could figure, it juiced his returns.

Last edited: Feb 14, 2021
#59     Feb 14, 2021
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10. ### murray t turtle

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You may not believe this;
but i + many profitable traders most likely could not/would not even hold a penny stock for59 minutes.
I dont even do ETFs under $5 very often/of course not many inverse ETFs for under$5.
ONE trader does not even do stocks under \$10; too risky for her bear trends. ETFs differ............................................................................................

#60     Feb 14, 2021
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