'I can't breathe:' Death of unarmed black man George Floyd leads to firing of white police officers

Discussion in 'Politics' started by easymon1, May 28, 2020.

  1. I do not disagree with El Concho's comments but it is nevertheless a chickenshit charge. Charging him 3rd degree gets the prosecutor out from having to argue that he intended to kill him. Except he took actions which any lay person or trained officer would reasonably expect to result in a person's death so the defendants intentions are a consideration but not necessarily controlling. You can only play dummy so much.

    Having said that, I cannot nevertheless conclude that 3rd degree is not appropriate without knowing more about Minnesota law. In some states you can charge at one level and but the statute lets the jury convict at a lower level if the elements have been met. In other states and with various other crimes if the jury acquits at the higher charge, he walks and they cannot convict on a lower charge. I would have to know more about that under Minn law before judging the prosecutor's decision.
     
    #31     May 29, 2020
  2. The three cops who watched this need to be arrested and charged as accessories. They cannot argue that they were unaware or unable to step in. This is what would happen if any of us were a group of four and three of us watched the fourth kill someone. Cops cannot be held to different legal standards just because the job is dangerous. Don't give a shit about that excuse. You bitches can't handle the pressure, quit and go do something else. All of you fucks are volunteers, each and every one of you. Isn't anyone making you do this job. And quit covering for the shitbirds in your ranks. Expose them, purge them from your organization, you'll be stronger for it.
     
    #32     May 29, 2020
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  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The Justice Department has opened an investigation into the killing of George Floyd
    https://www.businessinsider.com/wil...nvestigation-into-george-floyd-killing-2020-5
    • Attorney General William Barr announced Friday that the Justice Department, including the FBI, was investigating the death of George Floyd, a black man who died after a white police officer knelt on his neck for eight minutes.
    • The department is "conducting an independent investigation to determine whether any federal civil-rights laws were violated" related to Floyd's arrest and subsequent death, Barr said in a statement.
    • Earlier Friday, Hennepin County prosecutors charged former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, who was filmed kneeling on Floyd, with third-degree murder in the case.
    • The attorney general called video images of the incident "harrowing to watch and deeply disturbing."
    • A former federal prosecutor told Business Insider that it was unusual for the Justice Department to get involved so early in the process and it typically doesn't intervene unless state prosecutors have already tried and failed to charge or convict a police officer.
    Attorney General William Barr on Friday announced a federal investigation into the killing of George Floyd, a black man who died after a white police officer knelt on his neck for eight minutes.

    Barr said in a statement Friday that a state prosecutor "has been in the process of determining whether any criminal charges are appropriate under state law."

    He added that the Justice Department, including the FBI, was also "conducting an independent investigation to determine whether any federal civil-rights laws were violated" related to Floyd's death.

    Earlier Friday, Hennepin County prosecutors charged former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, who was filmed kneeling on Floyd, with third-degree murder in the case.

    Barr said in his statement that state and federal officers "are working diligently and collaboratively to ensure that any available evidence relevant to these decisions is obtained as quickly as possible."

    He called video images of the incident "harrowing to watch and deeply disturbing."

    "Under our system, charging decisions must be, and will be, based on the law and facts," the statement said. "This process is proceeding quickly. As is the typical practice, the state's charging decisions will be made first. I am confident justice will be served."

    It's unusual for the Justice Department to get involved so early in the process, Mark Osler, a former federal prosecutor and law professor at the University of St. Thomas in Minnesota, told Business Insider.

    Osler said the department typically doesn't intervene unless state prosecutors have already tried and failed to charge or convict a police officer.

    "Straight-up murder isn't a federal offense," he said, noting there were limited exceptions, such as if the murder took place on a military base. "There's a federal law against the violation of civil rights, but usually that doesn't happen until after murder charges fail."

    Osler continued: "Usually what you're going to see is the state make the case for murder, and then if they fail, the feds would step in."

    He likened the situation to the ex-LAPD officers Stacey Koon and Laurence Powell, who were videotaped beating Rodney King in 1991. The men were first acquitted on state charges, but federal authorities pursued the case, and both men were later convicted of federal charges of violating King's civil rights.

    (More at above url)
     
    #33     May 29, 2020

  4. Definitely murder but what type of murder is what caused the delay in some ways. DAs go for the charge they know will stick. They will never be able to prove Murder 1 or Murder 2 in Minnesota and the cop would walk with even an average defense attorney.

    They have to go for the charge most likely to convict but we all know this is never going to trial. The DA cannot risk a jury letting him walk and the whole city burning down.

    As Captain pointed out, the wrong charge from the DA leads to an acquittal .

    They are still looking to see what to do with the other 3 cops.
     
    #34     May 29, 2020
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  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    They set bail at $500,000
     
    #35     May 29, 2020
  6. userque

    userque

    Somebody'll pay it. But he's probably safer in jail ... maybe.?
     
    #36     May 29, 2020
  7. I cannot respect anything the protesters are doing. Fucking cowards with masks taunting police and thorwing rocks and water bottles as though these poor souls forced to hide in the entrance of CNN are responsible. real brave acting tough knowing the cops cannot respond and are hiding as they are pelted with rocks and water bottles.

    Thenin D.C. they are grabbing the barricades and pulling them and yelling in cops faces and these guys have to stand there fo what someone else did.

    I want the people to march and shout and gather in large numbers but to act all fake tough and throw rocks and bottles and burn and vandalize buries the message. The Mayor of Atlanta was livid at people who vandalized CNN who is trying to tell their story
     
    #37     May 29, 2020
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  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The mayor of Atlanta was furious. She called the rioters a disgrace... and a bunch of other names.
     
    #38     May 29, 2020
  9. LS1Z28

    LS1Z28

    The autopsy results could end up being really significant. I thought this was an open & shut case, but that could change drastically if it's ruled that he died from underlying health issues. This police officer may end up walking.

    https://www.news4jax.com/news/natio...trangulation-as-cause-of-george-floyds-death/
    Complaint: Autopsy reveals nothing to support strangulation as cause of George Floyd’s death
    The papers also said that an autopsy revealed nothing to support strangulation as the cause of death. The exam concluded that the combined effects of being restrained, potential intoxicants in Floyd’s system and his underlying health issues, including heart disease, likely contributed to his death.
     
    #39     May 30, 2020
  10. userque

    userque

    I doubt he walks. He at least contributed to the death.

    And, I assume they knew these results before charging him.
     
    #40     May 30, 2020