Hyperinflation

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Bestmiler, Nov 12, 2008.

  1. This is only true for a fully closed, self-contained economy. Unfortunately, there is no such thing. In the case of the US, it is *extremely* "no such thing" due to insane trade and fiscal deficits.

    Bottom line: the US cannot pay for imported oil with money created by this"infinite capacity" unless the rest of the world (effectively) acts as a lender to create this "infinite capacity". And that's why there will be no hyperinflation in the US for a long, long time - the rest of the world won't eat the cost.
     
    #71     Nov 18, 2008
  2. Daal

    Daal

    the 'helicopter' people talk about is not quite a helicopter. Bernanke was talking about a tax cut financed by newly created money, this would almost surely lead to positive inflation. So even if the banks are scared and holding into reserves if the US consumer gets a $1000 rebate they are likely to spend it. if they pay down their debt the fed could keep financing tax cuts till the CPI turned, then they would slow down
     
    #72     Nov 18, 2008
  3. jprad

    jprad

    Okay prove it. Where's the evidence that the government has monetized debt directly into a foreign currency.
     
    #73     Nov 18, 2008

  4. I was never arguing the fact that credit expansion, debt monetization, and money creation all serve as seperate facets to expand money supply. You are preaching to the choir. But money creation through any of these methods is still money creation (and thus dilution of the currency). Right now you aren't seeing inflation because the credit destruction is occuring faster than the fed's printing presses are working.

    But that doesn't change the trend and writing on the wall that is the Fed's method of problem solving. The problem is deflation, one that is unacceptable in a debt-laden society (that makes 1930s depressionary obligations look very managable), and the only way out is money printing. I am saying the fed will (and perhaps they view they must) offset any credit destruction (practically multiplier shrinkage) with their money creation measures in the end to get the economy performing back to trend. And there will be no sterilization since they need capital flowing back the way it was. The only way to that goal is simply more money in the system.

    Your assertions that the national debt is somehow ONLY correlated to M0 supply are just plain wrong. As I've pointed out, you don't need to physically print currency (as in send an order to the mints and order paper) to monetize new debt. In the end you increase total supply, and the market eventually shows disdain for it, and exchange rates fall.
     
    #74     Nov 19, 2008
  5. Again you are wrong. It is all the same. There are no two seperate planes you refer to. Money supply has many components, and credit fuels one part of it differently (creating a multiplier) than the other, but in the end increases in both have the same effect of diluting the currency.

    Right now there is more demand for dollars than there is supply. Supply is restrained because banks are lending at a slower rate than the fed is creating (to offset). Thus the dollar up, treasuries up, etc.
     
    #75     Nov 19, 2008
  6. jprad

    jprad

    Not all money is equal.

    The reason we have narrow and broad components to the money supply is due to the fact that while all currency is money, not all money is currency.

    The money the Fed requires a bank to keep in it's reserves must be in some form of currency.

    But, the money created when a bank makes a loan based on it's reserves is not currency, it's credit.

    Currency cannot be diluted by creating credit because credit isn't currency.
     
    #76     Nov 19, 2008
  7. Daal

    Daal

    jprad what are you trying to say. I dont get what side of the issue you are on
     
    #77     Nov 19, 2008
  8. Nobody is arguing against that. The problem is that the traditional way out is a cul-de-sac - which means there really is no way out.

    In all the posts you have made on this topic, you have not explained how this vast new supply of money enters the system. Saying "print more" is not an explanation - it's a wish. I would be most interested in hearing your detailed explanation on the mechanics of this. What exactly does the Fed do, what exactly does Treasury do, is there a role for Congress, what do foreign lenders need to do, etc?

    Cheers.
     
    #78     Nov 19, 2008
  9. slacker

    slacker

    But credit has a 'promise to repay' and that repayment must take place in currency. So extending more credit means at some point there must be currency to repay. If the currency does not exist today then it must be printed. jprad, is this an incorrect view of your opinion?

    Thank you
     
    #79     Nov 19, 2008
  10. Daal

    Daal

    Heres a simple way the fed can create inflation. bernanke along with the treasury creates the 'Patriot American Credit Card Facility', treasury gets the authority to create credit cards that can only be used for goods purchases(to avoid saving) for $1000 per citizen, they issue treasury bonds to fund it which the fed buys it(with new electronic money)
     
    #80     Nov 19, 2008