HYBRID ....I can't see the difference...can you see the difference?

Discussion in 'Order Execution' started by mcelitetrader, Oct 13, 2006.

  1. ig0r

    ig0r

    CVX was basically all electronic before the pilot, now the only real difference is "smoother" volatility with more chop but few gaps, whereas before one had the specialist spreading 5-10 cents and printing size during larger moves.
     
    #11     Oct 16, 2006
  2. It's a gold stock that is part of $XAU. Learn what the hell you trading, it's a stock moved by arbs & hedgies and the index. Specialist just pinches market orders in there and on occasion used to handle a real buyer/seller.

    Now that there will be zero incentive to give any orders to the specialist, it might actually get better as there will be less guesswork where the liquidity is. What you see is what you get. Get used to the fragmented orders and dissapearing liquidity the second $XAU ticks once in a reverse direction.


    They never provided liquidity at a risk, it was almost always at a profit. It really depends on order flow knowledge. And that's dissapearing from the floor.
     
    #12     Oct 16, 2006
  3. My prediction a few years ago :D
     
    #13     Oct 18, 2006
  4. must be tough being a salesman for oes :D
     
    #14     Oct 19, 2006
  5. I can't help being accurate on the listed frontier vs. yourself being wrong, LOL Maybe go back and look at my prediction that I told you about last year or the year before. LOL!!!!!! :D :D :D
     
    #15     Oct 19, 2006
  6. JM, among a few others, correctly predicted the trend. I did not doubt them, the signs for it started becoming apparent in 2004.

    The funny part is how many very profitable & good traders simply refused to believe it. They just could not accept that tapereading NYSE was slowly becoming a thing of the past.

    BTW, although I already started a thread on the topic. RDN this morning was pure Nazcrack action.
     
    #16     Oct 19, 2006
  7. Well I watched some of the hybrid stocks pretty closely today and I must say it's quite abit like nasdaq. These things move fast just printing all over the place. The ecn's still bid and offer above and below the specialist but it seems much faster. Maybe Reg nms will stop some of this ecn crossing? Anyway just wondering if others are noticing the same thing?

    -Guru
     
    #17     Oct 19, 2006
  8. I haven't noticed any slow ECN fills at all. None. The tape is looking like a back and forth algo, rather than the sort of wind up and pop that used to be nice to focus on, and I agree that the tape is less interesting now (though I do not believe tape reading will ever be useless until there are more marketplaces with real potential size in the mix). I feel more drawn to holding positions in longer swings. It's really hard to make it consistent, regular habit though. I wait more.
     
    #18     Oct 20, 2006
  9. gam1111

    gam1111

    What's the future for proprietary equity firms as more and more stocks go Hybrid, and by December all stocks?
     
    #19     Oct 20, 2006
  10. B1010

    B1010

    I have been focusing much more of my trading on thicker stocks using mostly ECN's the past year or so rather than trying to tape read thin stocks since it was obvious this was coming. So these hybrid changes really havn't affected my trading at all.
     
    #20     Oct 20, 2006