Hunt the Boeing! And test your perceptions!

TM_Direct · Jan 7, 2003

By the way, for the most part, if you work in ANY capacity for the pentagon....you usually cannot comment on JACK let alone give your name, rank ect.....I'll bet 90% of these names are not traceable...or as is often the case they are "suddenly retired"

think about it? Could you imagine going to work one morning and your boss the general is holding a press clip you gave to some grade b web site?

max401 · Jan 7, 2003

Quote from TM_Direct:

By the way, for the most part, if you work in ANY capacity for the pentagon....you usually cannot comment on JACK let alone give your name, rank ect.....I'll bet 90% of these names are not traceable...or as is often the case they are "suddenly retired"

think about it? Could you imagine going to work one morning and your boss the general is holding a press clip you gave to some grade b web site?
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Right, "some grade B web site" like: http://www.army.mil/

nitro · Jan 7, 2003

Quote from wild:

LaVern L Schueller, a USAF Colonel Chaplain was on temporary duty at the Pentagon.

"It appeared that someone had taken a tin snip and cut the red "c" from American Airlines and leaned that piece of the fuselage on the wall about 200 feet from the impact area".

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/archive/bill_campbell/010923col1.html

... Terril believes from photos and news coverage that the plane sliced through the section of the Pentagon where he works roughly below his office, passing through the fifth, fourth and third rings of the building. ...

He knew immediately that what happened was connected to the acts of terrorism at the World Trade Center but guessed that an explosion was caused by a truck bomb.

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/terror/0918-3.html

CMSgt John Monaccio:
"I was in room 1B461. The plane's inertia carried aircraft remains all the way through the building coming to rest on the outside walls of our offices. We discovered cockpit wreckage at our feet while attempting to rescue people from a Navy operations area."

Lt Col Tom McClain, retired, was OIC of National Guard Inspector General Inquiries/Complaints Division. He wrote:
"I saw the remains of the engines in the North parking lot of the Pentagon as well as melted aluminum and other debris left from the aircraft."

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon-email_20020316.html

Charles H. Krohn, the Army's deputy chief of public affairs reported that one of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main building and the new loading dock facility,

http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20010917/aw48.htm

Ron Chaney, Retired Army Lt. Col. a program manager for Coleman Research Corp., was in a meeting "about 40 to 50 yards away" from the impact, and involved with search and rescue
"I got up close enough through the smoke to see a jet engine. That was the first time I knew whatâd happened and that it was a commercial airliner. Iâd really thought it was a Lear jet-sized plane because the Pentagon is a pretty big damned building."

http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache

Tom Hovis, thovis@mindspring.com a Fairfax, Assoc. Member, reports:

The nosewheel I understand is in the grass near the second ring.

http://www.beanerbanner.com/a_father____.htm

"We didn't have a clue that it was a plane until we got outside and saw pieces of the airplane everywhere," Sinclair said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A2777-2001Oct3

"Among the trash littering the road was a scorched green oxygen tank marked "Cabin air. Airline use."

http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsroom/091201/12wtcpentagon.html

Michael Tamillow, a battalion chief and search and rescue expert for the Fairfax County, Virginia, Fire Department confirtms the discovery of "parts of the fuselage" albeit that " No large pieces apparently survived".

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/pentagon.terrorism/

With another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, they were combing through debris near the impact site at about 4.00 a.m. on Friday 14th.
Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the planeâs cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. Theyâd been told the planeâs âblack boxesâ would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/635293.asp

Judy Biggert, a Congress Member, visited on Thursday.
''There was a seat from a plane, there was part of the tail and then there was a part of green metal, I could not tell what it was, a part of the outside of the plane,'' she said. ''It smelled like it was still burning.''

http://www.suntimes.com/terror/stories/cst-nws-pent16.html

Lori Lewis ImLoriJean@aol.com a Fairfax County 911 center call taker and police and fire dispatcher worked at the scene..
"... There were hundreds of cardboard boxes and plastic tubs lined up to be packed with evidence. Large and small pieces of the airplane were laying on the ground waiting to be sorted."
"... In other office windows, the glass was not shattered but melted, oozing down like candle wax".

http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/ps/police/reports/The Blue Line-Fall 2001.PDF

' Buttcrax OMO' posted (9/13/01 9:47:44 pm) a message from his son, D C Mathew:
"...The plane came in low, over a highway, knocking over a light pole on it's approach. I don't know if the media will ever get the tapes, but there are about three or four surveillance cameras, one of which is on a traffic sign on the highway, and may be a public camera, that would have had shots of the plane from as close as a few dozen yards from it when it came in.
"...After about 15 minutes shoveling up chunks of carpet and brick, I found a piece of circuit board, and a chunk of the plane. When I say a chunk of it, I mean a piece that was about 3 oz of twisted aluminum. The biggest piece I've seen so far is about the size of a refrigerator.

http://pub6.ezboard.com/foldmenonlinewhatdoyouthink.showPrevMessage?topicID=957.topic

LTC Victor Correaâs office was hit. He was knocked down by the impact.
âI saw a fireball come over my head ...coming like a wind-cloud of smoke trailing it. I also noticed to my right the windows going out and coming back in. The fireball came in and out quick â the speed of lightning. As it went back, it left a cloud of smoke and started dropping. At that time the fire system went up.
He spent the remainder of the day rescuing. Eventually, after calling home, he moved on to join a litter team preparing to go in the building.
This time, according to Correa, he found out what caused the horrific attack he survived
earlier that morning; he saw the nose cone and the landing gear of the airliner."

http://www.army.mil/usar/news/2002/09-11anniv/herotellsall.html

Staff Sgt. Chris Braman and another rescuer, an Army lieutenant colonel, clambered through a broken first-floor window and into the E Ring's fiery wreckage.
"The lawn was littered with twisted pieces of aluminum. He saw one chunk painted with the letter 'A,' another with a 'C.' It didn't occur to Braman what the letters signified until a man in the crowd stooped to pick up one of the smaller metal shards. He examined it for a moment, then announced: 'This was a jet.' "

http://www.pilotonline.com/special/911/pentagon3b.html

ARFF fire crews reported fires on every floor of the "D" and "E" rings.
"The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear.

http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExclusive/Exclusive_11_01_01/exclusive_11.01.01.asp
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Ah wild,

can you be more specific?

nitro

wild · Jan 7, 2003

http://www.koolpages.com/killtown/flight77.html

hapaboy · Jan 7, 2003

Quote from aphexcoil:

Nobody shot him -- the Zapruder film was actually digitally enhanced when the CIA used a time machine to go into the future to use better computers to make the film more convincing.

Unfortunately, during that time, Lee Harvy Oswald jumped into the same gate and had sex with Jack Ruby's great-grandmother when she was only 16. This meant that Jack had to kill Oswald before he actually made the trip back into time, so he shot him once and then made a long drawn-out "save the jews" speech in front of the congressional committee because he knew that, in fact, the nazis were secretly collaborating with American scientists in the 1940's to create the very time machine that was used to begin this mess.
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Love it!

TM_Direct · Jan 8, 2003

Yes the army link appears legit....and BeannerBanner .com????

that sounds like a porn site to me....what i find odd about some of these links is that there's no advertising on most of them...the Sun-times link is purported to be the "chicago Sun-times"....Don't you find it odd that the Sun -Times of Chicago doesn't sell advertising space??? Pop ups? I think this is a different Sun -Times...I have a feeling this is the one who printed the head line:

'BATBOY ESCAPES'..the 18 inch half bat half man is considered dangerous.....

by the way, if any one sees him please do not attempt to capture him yourself , call the proper authorities.

AAAintheBeltway · Jan 8, 2003

First, let me say I think these conspiracy theories are silly and right up there with "all the Jews who worked in the WTC were warned to stay home. " I mean what else happened to the damn plane? Did "they" hide it at Roswell? And you would have to admire the exquisite timing "they" used to blow up a portion of the Pentagon on literally minutes notice, when the Air Force couldn't get fighter cover over DC on 15 minutes notice. And I guess the Todd Beemer crash was another hoax? Tell it to his wife, I'm not.

Having said that, I have to admit that the actual Pentagon crash site certainly did not look like a plane hit it. I have driven past it dozens of times, as a busy highway off I-395 goes by a few hundred yards from the crash site. I think part of the problem is the odd shape and size of the building. It is mammoth but doesn't look that big from a distance. So damage that would have demolished a smaller building puts a hole in the side of it. And remember, the WTC crashes did not initially destroy the towers. If they hadn't collapsed, the end result might not have looked that different from the Pentagon.