Nobody shot him -- the Zapruder film was actually digitally enhanced when the CIA used a time machine to go into the future to use better computers to make the film more convincing. Unfortunately, during that time, Lee Harvy Oswald jumped into the same gate and had sex with Jack Ruby's great-grandmother when she was only 16. This meant that Jack had to kill Oswald before he actually made the trip back into time, so he shot him once and then made a long drawn-out "save the jews" speech in front of the congressional committee because he knew that, in fact, the nazis were secretly collaborating with American scientists in the 1940's to create the very time machine that was used to begin this mess.
You know, when i wrote that last line about JFK I actually almsot put on it ...."anyone but Aphie can answer"!!! I knew you couldn't resist
Good Post TM-Direct. The problem with the conspiracy presentations is that they do raise questions about the crash. But their suggestion - A missile - raises even more problematic questions of feasibility, as has been pointed out. While I do not know Josh' politics, this conspiracy theory is linked to an even crazier theory: the "secret Jewish international cabal" that controls the worlds financial instiutions,the WHite House, etc. etc. THis thoery, or charge, is designed to deflect attention from the Muslim extremists and make attacks against those hated by Muslim Extremists (Jews, Jewish supporters like the USA) all the more acceptable. That 9/11 attacks were really US-Israel designed and executed to make the Muslim world look bad is thus "proven" by the Pentagon "anomalies". As the Pentagon conspiracy theory is driven by a fanatical agenda, its mere existence should arouse our skepticism.
I also remember a story of the man who "debris surfed 105 stories down the trade center" the "picture of satan in the smoke' the "picture of jesus" in the smoke the "ufo in the background" ...so far my favorite and to tell you the truth it looks real... There's only one underlying proof though: there's no way on earth that the jews would allow an economic attack on therein interests like this!! Think about how much money these brokerage firms lost? look at the names of the firms in the trade centered and on wall street that were affected.
Most of the ludicrous conspiracy loons assumptions answered here: http://libertyboy.free.fr/misc/attack/2001_09_11_pentagon_plane/ From the transcript of the post 9-11 interview with bin laden: "UBL: The difference between the first and the second plane hitting the towers was twenty minutes. And the difference between the first plane and the plane that hit the Pentagon was one hour."
I think i figured it out: we are all schmucks debating ridiculous theories using PUBLISHED BOOKS and BRAND NEW WEBSITES to prove right or wrong.....in other words: we are shills!!! I don't think anybody cares , but I'll bet there is a web site counter on all these sites!!!
aphexcoil, lol now that's a time machine story. wild, thanks for the link, do you have one that may show max401's pic that has the tire but in paned out view, with more details? dgabriel, many questions may need to be answered. Eventually when we discuss any of these types of incidents, somehow politics are getting involved maybe rightfully so maybe not. Stranger things have happened. Our country's past is very spotty in many areas, both domestically and internationally regardless of whom is on the helm. From JFK's single magic bullet that makes turns mid air and stirkes 3 different ways, to watergate and released tapes that could top many hollywood plays, to carter's Gulf Armada, to Reagan's Iran contra, Bushes Sr. incubator babies, Clinton's and China selling weapons and satellite intelligence on our subs, and I'm not going to touch the 50 or so mill we spent with Ken star to define the word "is", to congressmen pressure on Arthur Levit to let accountants reign free, to Bushes Jr, first signing on exempting ENE from federal oversight on Fed 2001.. the list can be very long.... and just about in all of them if someone was to speculate before the "truth" was out he/she would be painted in not the most appealing way.. If and who is behind this, we can only speculate. However; I do despise even the idea of anyone elected in office by the people and for the people, using his/her power to screw us up and serve some special interest groups. So many of us are skeptical, and as the saying goes, the bigger the lie the easiest is to sell. Maybe TM Direct put it right: "we are shills!!! I don't think anybody cares , but I'll bet there is a web site counter on all these sites!!!" But also, where there is smoke there is usually fire.. Anyway, back to the subject. We had some good responses here that makes us think from many points of view. Many pics and references are posted here, some try to explain the theory of 757 hit, but some others just don't add up.. The pics interviews and explanations are intriguing to say the least... Good posts Josh
You find an open admission of culpability from Bin Laden as merely "intriguing?" I guess the only that would convince you is a 70 MM IMAX film from several camera angles all running in slow motion.
LaVern L Schueller, a USAF Colonel Chaplain was on temporary duty at the Pentagon. "It appeared that someone had taken a tin snip and cut the red "c" from American Airlines and leaned that piece of the fuselage on the wall about 200 feet from the impact area". http://www.nwfdailynews.com/archive/bill_campbell/010923col1.html ... Terril believes from photos and news coverage that the plane sliced through the section of the Pentagon where he works roughly below his office, passing through the fifth, fourth and third rings of the building. ... He knew immediately that what happened was connected to the acts of terrorism at the World Trade Center but guessed that an explosion was caused by a truck bomb. http://www.tri-cityherald.com/terror/0918-3.html CMSgt John Monaccio: "I was in room 1B461. The plane's inertia carried aircraft remains all the way through the building coming to rest on the outside walls of our offices. We discovered cockpit wreckage at our feet while attempting to rescue people from a Navy operations area." Lt Col Tom McClain, retired, was OIC of National Guard Inspector General Inquiries/Complaints Division. He wrote: "I saw the remains of the engines in the North parking lot of the Pentagon as well as melted aluminum and other debris left from the aircraft." http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon-email_20020316.html Charles H. Krohn, the Army's deputy chief of public affairs reported that one of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main building and the new loading dock facility, http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20010917/aw48.htm Ron Chaney, Retired Army Lt. Col. a program manager for Coleman Research Corp., was in a meeting "about 40 to 50 yards away" from the impact, and involved with search and rescue "I got up close enough through the smoke to see a jet engine. That was the first time I knew whatâd happened and that it was a commercial airliner. Iâd really thought it was a Lear jet-sized plane because the Pentagon is a pretty big damned building." http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache Tom Hovis, thovis@mindspring.com a Fairfax, Assoc. Member, reports: The nosewheel I understand is in the grass near the second ring. http://www.beanerbanner.com/a_father____.htm "We didn't have a clue that it was a plane until we got outside and saw pieces of the airplane everywhere," Sinclair said. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A2777-2001Oct3 "Among the trash littering the road was a scorched green oxygen tank marked "Cabin air. Airline use." http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsroom/091201/12wtcpentagon.html Michael Tamillow, a battalion chief and search and rescue expert for the Fairfax County, Virginia, Fire Department confirtms the discovery of "parts of the fuselage" albeit that " No large pieces apparently survived". http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/pentagon.terrorism/ With another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, they were combing through debris near the impact site at about 4.00 a.m. on Friday 14th. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the planeâs cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. Theyâd been told the planeâs âblack boxesâ would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77. http://www.msnbc.com/news/635293.asp Judy Biggert, a Congress Member, visited on Thursday. ''There was a seat from a plane, there was part of the tail and then there was a part of green metal, I could not tell what it was, a part of the outside of the plane,'' she said. ''It smelled like it was still burning.'' http://www.suntimes.com/terror/stories/cst-nws-pent16.html Lori Lewis ImLoriJean@aol.com a Fairfax County 911 center call taker and police and fire dispatcher worked at the scene.. "... There were hundreds of cardboard boxes and plastic tubs lined up to be packed with evidence. Large and small pieces of the airplane were laying on the ground waiting to be sorted." "... In other office windows, the glass was not shattered but melted, oozing down like candle wax". http://www.co.fairfax.va.us/ps/police/reports/The Blue Line-Fall 2001.PDF ' Buttcrax OMO' posted (9/13/01 9:47:44 pm) a message from his son, D C Mathew: "...The plane came in low, over a highway, knocking over a light pole on it's approach. I don't know if the media will ever get the tapes, but there are about three or four surveillance cameras, one of which is on a traffic sign on the highway, and may be a public camera, that would have had shots of the plane from as close as a few dozen yards from it when it came in. "...After about 15 minutes shoveling up chunks of carpet and brick, I found a piece of circuit board, and a chunk of the plane. When I say a chunk of it, I mean a piece that was about 3 oz of twisted aluminum. The biggest piece I've seen so far is about the size of a refrigerator. http://pub6.ezboard.com/foldmenonlinewhatdoyouthink.showPrevMessage?topicID=957.topic LTC Victor Correaâs office was hit. He was knocked down by the impact. âI saw a fireball come over my head ...coming like a wind-cloud of smoke trailing it. I also noticed to my right the windows going out and coming back in. The fireball came in and out quick â the speed of lightning. As it went back, it left a cloud of smoke and started dropping. At that time the fire system went up. He spent the remainder of the day rescuing. Eventually, after calling home, he moved on to join a litter team preparing to go in the building. This time, according to Correa, he found out what caused the horrific attack he survived earlier that morning; he saw the nose cone and the landing gear of the airliner." http://www.army.mil/usar/news/2002/09-11anniv/herotellsall.html Staff Sgt. Chris Braman and another rescuer, an Army lieutenant colonel, clambered through a broken first-floor window and into the E Ring's fiery wreckage. "The lawn was littered with twisted pieces of aluminum. He saw one chunk painted with the letter 'A,' another with a 'C.' It didn't occur to Braman what the letters signified until a man in the crowd stooped to pick up one of the smaller metal shards. He examined it for a moment, then announced: 'This was a jet.' " http://www.pilotonline.com/special/911/pentagon3b.html ARFF fire crews reported fires on every floor of the "D" and "E" rings. "The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear. http://www.nfpa.org/NFPAJournal/OnlineExclusive/Exclusive_11_01_01/exclusive_11.01.01.asp