Hunt the Boeing! And test your perceptions!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Josh_B, Jan 4, 2003.

  1. These are just simulations done in a computer of what might happen if a plane hit a structure such as the Pentagon. Just because it can be simulated doesn't make it fact in the real world.

    If you were the government trying to cover something up, don't you think you'd do all of these things to make a convincing presentation?

    There has to be SOME film somewhere of this plane in route to the Pentagon. You can't fly a plane over one of the biggest cities in the world without some camera catching it on tape.

    Ps: Josh made an excellent point. How can you get DNA samples out of a 2,500 degree fire? If it is hot enough to melt some metals and vaporize others, how in the world could DNA withstand that and still be collectable?
     
    #41     Jan 6, 2003
  2. Milk?

    Anyway, you guys remember the Shoemaker-Levy comet that hit Jupiter, right?

    Wrong. It was a U.S. made spaceship based on alien technology captured at Area 51. There was a problem with the propulsion and guidance system. And the object that hit the Pentagon, that was not a plane, that was a similar craft based on alien technology. It was designed to completely disintegrate upon crashing, lest any evidence be revealed.
     
    #42     Jan 6, 2003
  3. So "they" murdered Barbara Olson, the Solicitor General's wife? Hell, he must be in on it.
     
    #43     Jan 6, 2003
  4. Josh_B

    Josh_B

    dgabriel, hehe true..heck hubby and wife have same indecision sometimes.

    It doesn't say how the poll fell, but that could make one derive that a low flying object probably knocked it over. You say it's a plane... it could be low flying plane. But it doesn't exclude a missile either.

    max, that model explains nothing, plane does not get pulverized. But I can see your point also. What modeling, speeds impact angles etc they used it was not explained either, but on a computer simulation you can produce "many" results. But no argument there, can't tell what they are doing.

    Axe?? you mean that the fireman dug the hole in the wall? It should have been a Punch In hole then.!!

    Anyway we could argue back and forth for sometime on this.

    This whole thing maybe clear for some and rely on the "officials" feeding the explanations and all is fine and we can go on with our lives. And it could be the way to go. But for others when things do not add up they keep on asking questions.

    I'm not sure what will it take to convince all that look at this % on one theory or another. Maybe sometime in the future we could have a better investigation and answer all these questions in a matter that makes sense for all.

    there are a couple of more things to post and maybe we should close this?

    Thanks for all the links and info.

    Josh
     
    #44     Jan 6, 2003
  5. No, Barbara Olsen was piloting the spacecraft (shhhhh)
     
    #45     Jan 6, 2003
  6. These are just simulations done in a computer of what might happen if a plane hit a structure such as the Pentagon. Just because it can be simulated doesn't make it fact in the real world.

    If you were the government trying to cover something up, don't you think you'd do all of these things to make a convincing presentation?


    How in the hell do you keep the hundreds if not thousands of co-conspirators quiet? What about all the eyewitnesses? Paid shills? How are they going to keep them all quiet?

    There has to be SOME film somewhere of this plane in route to the Pentagon. You can't fly a plane over one of the biggest cities in the world without some camera catching it on tape.

    Why does there "have" to be? How many film shots were there of WTC? Two? Three? City of 8 million with the target in question visible from all around. The Pentagon? Five stories high and you can't see it until your right on top of it.

    Josh made an excellent point. How can you get DNA samples out of a 2,500 degree fire? If it is hot enough to melt some metals and vaporize others, how in the world could DNA withstand that and still be collectable?

    Where is it a fact that the entire plane and its contents were at 2500 degrees? See these airplane parts? Do they look "vaporized" to you?

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    #46     Jan 6, 2003
  7. ok ok ... a plane hit the Pentagon.
     
    #47     Jan 6, 2003
  8. Josh_B

    Josh_B

    Nicely fallen items (placed)? on the grass there! do they even belong to the 757? again some can accept it that they were part of the plane some may argue this:

    Additional to the fact that this represents less than 0.1 % of the volume of the alleged plane, what evidence is there that any of this was once part of a Boeing 757 ? It could be from anything. We know that something hit the Pentagon, that there was an explosion, and that where there is an explosion there will be debris of some sort.
    To argue that this provides any evidence for either side of the argument is witchcraft trial logic. “ You must be a witch, because you wouldn't’t have been accused if you weren’t ”.
    “ We know that a 757 was there. That proves that this is debris from a 757. And the fact that this is debris from a 757 proves that it was there... ”
    This debris is totally unidentifiable, and it’s volume is too insignificant to address the problem of unaccounted for wreckage

    Supporters of the 757 theory claim this fragment to be wreckage from AA 77, citing the AA colors as proof.

    In truth, it is the alleged AA colors which indicate that this cannot be part of the alleged plane. Has American Airlines invented a new kind of indestructible paint? This fragment has allegedly been violently flung out from an explosion which reduced a giant airliner to the dust and ashes and unidentifiable tiny fragments shown in the above photo. And yet the paint is as shiny and new as the day it was applied. Does it take more energy to peel and blacken paint, than to destroy 100 tons of aircraft? Clearly painted sections survive most crashes, as shown in the crash photos. But in those cases, no one is alleging an explosion catastrophic enough to vaporize 100 tons of plane. They break up and perhaps burn a bit. In really fierce crashes, some of the plane may actually be destroyed, but even in these cases, tons of reasonably intact wreckage remains. So these scenarios are consistent with the recovery of painted sections, even in bad crashes. The allegation that this brightly painted fragment survived is irreconcilable with the claim that 99.99% of the plane was vaporized.

    There’s a further problem with this piece of wreckage. The colors are wrong anyway. Take a close look at the color scheme used by American Airlines. First, note that the alleged wreckage has a white stripe next to red which is of a larger area than the white stripe. Note the absence of any blue stripe.Now let’s look at some actual AA plane photos and you’ll see that that this color scheme isn’t used. Except possibly in the American Airlines lettering on the top front part of the fuselage,

    The following has some additional views of AA 757 series planes.

    http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?airlinesearch=American Airlines&distinct_entry=true

    Note that the striped color scheme which the crude fake has attempted to copy does not appear on the wings or tail fins. The reason I make this point, is that this rules out the possibility that this piece of the plane was sheared off during the approach, before the explosion, by hitting a lightpole. If there’s any possibility that it’s a genuine AA color scheme, it can only have come from part of the American Airlines lettering, on the top and front part of the fuselage, which means that this piece could not have been sheared off on the way in, and therefore must have been subject to the explosion. And that is impossible, even if we were to pretend that such an explosion was generally possible. Furthermore, the only part of the plane which it could possibly have come from is towards the front. If the explosion occurred in the middle of the plane, debris from the front area would have been flung forwards into the building not away from it. And if the explosion occurred in the front part of the plane, making it possible to blow this piece backwards, then this area of the plane would have been subject to the most powerful part of the blast, so if we were going to see surviving pieces of debris flung backwards, (especially with paintwork still intact ) they should be from the rear of the plane. And if it’s alleged that it was thrown forward with such force that it hit something else and bounced back all this distance, wouldn’t the paintwork, be just a little scratched?
    Whoever designed and planted this fake, didn’t think it through.

    Does the above make sense?

    Well as the thread notes: Hunt the Boeing! And test your perceptions!


    Josh
     
    #48     Jan 6, 2003
  9. Josh_B

    Josh_B

    Boeing 757-200 Technical Characteristics

    757-200
    Passengers
    Typical 2-class configuration
    Typical 1-class configuration
    200
    228
    Cargo 1,670 cu ft (43.3 cu m)
    Engines
    maximum thrust Rolls-Royce RB211-535E4
    40,200 lb (179 kN)

    Rolls-Royce RB211-535E4B
    43,500 lb (193.5 kN)

    Pratt & Whitney PW2037
    36,600 lb (162.8 kN)

    Pratt & Whitney PW2040
    40,100 lb (178.4 kN)

    Maximum Fuel Capacity 11,489 gal (43,490 l)
    Maximum Takeoff Weight 255,000 lb (115,680 kg)
    Maximum Range 3,900 nautical miles (7,222 km)
    Cruise Speed Mach 0.80
    Basic Dimensions
    Wing Span 124 ft 10 in (38.05 m)
    Overall Length 155 ft 3 in (47.32 m
    Tail Height 44 ft 6 in (13.6 m)
    Interior Cabin Width 11 ft 7 in (3.5 m)
    Body Externior Width 12 ft 4 in (3.7 m)


    Hmmm... 255,000 lbs plane wing span 124 ft, height 44 ft struck the first floor of the pentagon
    and created/went through this opening about 1-2 time a regular house door. And nose of the plane (one of the weakest parts, went through 3 buildings..

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    note the above pic is before the wall collapse. Opening shows nothing there so what ever hit went through?

    bellow superimposed afterwards.

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    but I guess that 255000 lbs got pulverized on impact all became vapor besides a couple of aluminum skin parts and not much else

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    Not sure what to say. Maybe one day we will find out. Possibly after 20-30 years as Senator Bob Graham said that most 9/11 incident findings could become public.

    Untill we find out we have to accept the "official's words" that a 757 did crash and that's about it.


    hehe who knows? sometimes truth is stranger than fiction

    if anyone finds any more related info, do post or pm. thx

    Josh
     
    #49     Jan 6, 2003
  10. perhaps an alien spaceship crash landed and govt is covering up that fact:p
     
    #50     Jan 6, 2003