Fraudcurrents... we have no need to debate whether co2 acts as a blanket because NASA told us last year it also works as a shield. The question is what does adding more man made co2 do in our environment. It could be more shield it could be more blanket it could cause more water vapor (per recent studies) but one thing we do not know is... if it is doing anything. Your climate sensitivity models have all failed the test. Even the IPCC admitted the models should have considered forcings by the sun and the tides. That is why we keep showing you that although co2 went up 40% the last 17 years and 10 months... there has been not warming as predicted by the models. Here maybe you did not understand the article you posted a few days ago... http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/27/global-warming-pause-could-last-for-30-years/ In popular science journalism the latest is always the best. With all the explanations for the “pause” in global surface temperatures since 1997 – there are now over 30 of them – it is always the most recently published one that is the “answer.” This time it’s the Atlantic Ocean that’s to blame. A paper published in Science says that a 30-year periodicity warms and cools the world by sequestering heat below the ocean’s surface and then releasing it. You don’t have to look very deeply at the science to realise that, despite the headlines, no one has come up with an answer to the “pause.” –David Whitehouse, The Global Warming Policy Foundation, 26 August 2014
You do realize that the warming that they claim is going to occur CANNOT happen by CO2, even if we burned every last bit of fossil fuel. The fact of the matter is CO2 is just not that great of a heat trap. The predictions(I use the term loosely) and claims that the MMGW cult push out as fact depend on positive feedback loops that humans have little to no understanding of. This is the reason, these predictions always end up being completely wrong. The fact that you focus purely on CO2 and have no idea what a positive feedback loop is indicates that you have very little understanding of the science(once again, I use the term loosely).
U.N. Draft Report Lists Unchecked Emissions’ Risks By JUSTIN GILLISAUG. 26, 2014 Runaway growth in the emission of greenhouse gases is swamping all political efforts to deal with the problem, raising the risk of “severe, pervasive and irreversible impacts” over the coming decades, according to a draft of a major new United Nations report. Global warming is already cutting grain production by several percentage points, the report found, and that could grow much worse if emissions continue unchecked. Higher seas, devastating heat waves, torrential rain and other climate extremes are also being felt around the world as a result of human-produced emissions, the draft report said, and those problems are likely to intensify unless the gases are brought under control. The world may already be nearing a temperature at which the loss of the vast ice sheet covering Greenland would become inevitable, the report said. The actual melting would then take centuries, but it would be unstoppable and could result in a sea level rise of 23 feet, with additional increases from other sources like melting Antarctic ice, potentially flooding the world’s major cities. The report found that companies and governments had identified reserves of these fuels at least four times larger than could safely be burned if global warming is to be kept to a tolerable level. That means if society wants to limit the risks to future generations, it must find the discipline to leave a vast majority of these valuable fuels in the ground, the report said. It cited rising political efforts around the world on climate change, including efforts to limit emissions as well as to adapt to changes that have become inevitable. But the report found that these efforts were being overwhelmed by construction of facilities like new coal-burning power plants that will lock in high emissions for decades. The draft report found that past emissions, and the failure to heed scientific warnings about the risks, have made large-scale climatic shifts inevitable. But lowering emissions would still slow the expected pace of change, the report said, providing critical decades for human society and the natural world to adapt. “Continued emission of greenhouse gases will cause further warming and long-lasting changes in all components of the climate system, increasing the likelihood of severe, pervasive and irreversible impacts for people and ecosystems,” the report said. The earth has so far warmed by about 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit above the level that prevailed before the Industrial Revolution, the report found, and that seemingly modest increase is causing the effects already being seen around the world. A continued rapid growth of emissions in coming decades could conceivably lead to a global warming exceeding 8 degrees Fahrenheit, the report found. The warming would be higher over land areas, and higher still at the poles. Warming that substantial would almost certainly have catastrophic effects, including a mass extinction of plants and animals, huge shortfalls in food production, extreme coastal flooding and many other problems, the report found. The report noted that severe weather events, some of them linked to human-produced emissions, had disrupted the food supply in recent years, leading to several spikes in the prices of staple grains and destabilizing some governments in poorer countries. Continued warming, the report found, is likely to “slow down economic growth, make poverty reduction more difficult, further erode food security, and prolong existing poverty traps and create new ones, the latter particularly in urban areas and emerging hot spots of hunger.”
It's a consensus of the world's scientists about the threat of man made global warming. “Continued emission of greenhouse gases will cause further warming and long-lasting changes in all components of the climate system, increasing the likelihood of severe, pervasive and irreversible impacts for people and ecosystems,” the report said.
Erick Erickson doesn’t care about climate change and doesn’t believe the science behind it. And his lack of interest in the issue is so acute, so firmly woven into the very fiber of his existence that he wrote an angry jeremiad explaining just how much he doesn’t care. The arguments Erickson brings to bear in support of his Grand Unified Theory of LOL Science Whatever can be broken down into two broad categories: Scientists are liars. Humans can “adapt.” Glib nihilism of this sort requires a bit of exploration, and since Erickson posed these arguments but refused to develop them in any meaningful fashion – remember, he doesn’t care – we’ll have to do the job for him. Reacting to the latest draft report from the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which warns of global catastrophes in the next few centuries owing to climate shifts caused by the emission of greenhouse gases, Erickson writes: Folks, I do not care. Let me assure you that the world is not going to end and we are not going to cause ourselves to go extinct. This report is written by a bunch of people who believe in the evolution of humanity, but somehow think mankind is unable to adapt to changing circumstances. It’s tough to discern exactly what he’s saying here. He seems to be arguing that even if climate change were happening, then humans would just roll with it because that’s how evolution works (note: This is not how evolution works). That would be a curious argument for him to make since Erick Erickson himself does not believe in evolution. “I reject that we evolved from anything other than God’s own mind. We were created in his image. We did not evolve into it.” The more likely explanation is that he thinks he’s cleverly defeated the climate scientists by deploying their own faith in science against them. Take that, nerds! More to the point, the IPCC report says that humans will have to adapt to what are now the inevitable consequences of spewing carbon into the atmosphere. The question is how painful we’ll make the process for ourselves. Per the New York Times: “Lowering emissions would still slow the expected pace of change, the report said, providing critical decades for human society and the natural world to adapt.” Erickson seems determined both to cede this argument to the climate scientists and also dismiss it: Let the seas rise. Let the wind blow. We can adapt. And in another decade we can all wonder where the heat went as things cool down. So are climate scientists wrong? Or are they right and it doesn’t matter? Both? Neither? As it turns out, the answers to these questions are immaterial: We are all going to die. Just not today. And in the meantime, I simply do not care about this issue. Whatever the arguments, his whole “I don’t care about climate change” hypothesis is undone by the fact that he obviously cares enough to have put some thought into the matter. Well, maybe “thought” is too strong a word. He’s formed some opinions, let’s say: Frankly, I think global warming is a religion of a secular left that rejects the God of creation in favor of worship of creation. I think many of those involved in the science of global warming oppose capitalism in general and the United States in particular. I think they are manufacturing a panic and their solutions are designed to hinder economic progress. More so, the hysteria over global warming has now increased at a rapid pace because a new breed of entrepreneur and huckster have found new ways to get rich off these idiots using your tax dollars. Just to spell this out, so there’s no misunderstanding, Erick Erickson believes that an entire scientific discipline was manufactured out of nothing as part of a decades-long anti-capitalist conspiracy designed to create panic and get rich off the ensuing chaos. And this is the intellectual foundation for his bold decision to not care about climate change. This is the end-product of years of closed-loop conservative thought on climate change. They’ve thoroughly convinced themselves (with the help and generous funding of oil companies and anonymous conservative billionaires) that the science is wrong, the scientists are hucksters, the world is actually cooling, and a warming globe would actually be a good thing. Thus, for the right, the most logical explanation behind the climate change movement is not the crushing weight of scientific evidence pointing to real and lasting calamity caused by the burning of fossil fuels. Rather, in Erickson’s words, it’s “all orchestrated left-wing crap that a bunch of private jet setters and twitter liberals can worry themselves over.” So it’s not quite accurate for Erickson to say he doesn’t care. Rather, he’s declaring that he’s proudly incurious and is perfectly content to let absurd, ideologically satisfying fantasies guide what limited understanding he has of the issue. Meanwhile, he’s determined to focus on things that truly matter, like the optics of President Obama’s golf game. Simon Maloy
This is what the world's scientists think could happen. We ignore them at our peril. A continued rapid growth of emissions in coming decades could conceivably lead to a global warming exceeding 8 degrees Fahrenheit, the report found. The warming would be higher over land areas, and higher still at the poles. Warming that substantial would almost certainly have catastrophic effects, including a mass extinction of plants and animals, huge shortfalls in food production, extreme coastal flooding and many other problems, the report found.
Are these the same assholes who have been wrong 100% of the time for the last 40 years. Ignoring them has served us well in the past, and will serve us well in the future. You actually buy into people whose track record is worst than Lenny Dykstra's. Awesome.
I know this will surprise you because you are a moron, but "they" have not been wrong. Quite the opposite. Global warming was predicted in the late seventies by the majority of scientists and it has happened. In the early eighties James Hansen correctly predicted the warming although he underestimated the amount of warming that actually took place.