Huawei challenging the Constitutionality of US's ban on its products

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by JSOP, May 29, 2019.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    I had one of their blackberry clones at some point. It was a fine phone. I do worry about the potential for back doors, more so from unsubstantiated fears that have been floated on the media, than any real provable concern. Still doesn't give me standing to go willy nilly on blanket bans for the company because I dislike their market cap or their telecom infrastructure.
     
    #31     May 29, 2019
  2. TOTALLY FALSE EQUIVILANCE.

    in the case of Supermicro it was never the administration that laid any claims it was Bloomberg. In fact Supermicro is a US company run out of Silicon Valley. Even though the accusations were never proven the company moved its entire supply chain outside of China.



     
    #32     May 29, 2019
  3. It is not inferior. Their mobile phone line up is top notch and their routers are also quite advanced. But they stole IP and spied on other companies plus without any allegations proven, fact is, that China's law force any company to comply with the government if the government requests Information of any kind and to assist the government obtaining such requested information.

    That alone should be enough to not let Huawei near any national US or European data or phone grid.

     
    #33     May 29, 2019
  4. Google "Huawei stole". It's all there. Huawei stole from startups, entrepreneurs, Nortel, Cisco, Apple,... They ran bonus schemes that encouraged employees to obtain competitors' data. Yes many of them are still allegations, and are still pending law suits and court hearings. So my question to you: despite the countless accusations and cases where previous employees shared the culture of Huawei and its illegal dealings you just say that we should all give them the benefit of doubt and let them freely roam and occupy our national grids all in the hopes that every last allegation will be dismissed? Is that your stance? Cause I like to understand your thinking. Stop injecting Trump or the administration in this, they have nothing whatsoever to do with this. The allegations and lawsuits against Huawei have been lodged long time before Trump singled out Huawei.

     
    #34     May 29, 2019
  5. The allegations and law suits are too many from too many varied sources and from all across the political spectrum to dismiss all of them as baseless.

    Let me ask you a question: are you gonna get a smiling middle aged guy into your home and near your kids who until recently seemed OK but where you now know that there are multiple law suits pending that accuse that guy of child rape and molestation? Really? Just to give him the benefit of doubt? Nobody says that Huawei or that guy are guilty for sure. But do you let that guy near your kids? If not then we should not let Huawei near our national mobile phone grid until each and every allegation and law suit is dismissed.

    You are a left nutcase who must oppose everything Trump does or says out of principle not out of logical reasoning.

     
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    #35     May 29, 2019
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  6. JSOP

    JSOP

    That "general ban" is eased now. Quite honestly if Huawei would go to such length to force US to buy its products, it makes you wonder if 1) if its products is really that good, that reliable cuz if it's really good, why would it be so desperate for one country's market. USA is not the world. There are hundreds of other countries who have not banned its products why doesn't China sell the products there? Huawei would still make profit if its products is really reliable. and 2) whether there is really something behind its 5G network. If it's just business, why would China care that much for just losing some money? Surely it has diversified enough of economy to make money elsewhere? Why is losing this network span in particular in United States that important for China?... Huawei has already been banned in UK for some time now. I don't see Huawei jumping up and down challenging UK's constitution. LOL
     
    #36     May 29, 2019

  7. Show me any evidence "that Huawei has already been banned in UK for some time now", please?
     
    #37     May 30, 2019
  8. The main countries outside of the US where I have found equal general ease of doing business is Germany and Canada. The rest of them nickel and dime you to death, moreso than the aforementioned. I do not blame Huawei from wanting to maintain the gravy train. It is very inefficient to go after 100 small markets than 2-3 big ones.
     
    #38     May 30, 2019
  9. Whatever China touches eventually turns to crap because their concerns are short term monetary gian not long term business establishment like Samsung or Apple. When China took over Lenovo/IBM business it went to crap after a while. Their mobile phone line is a rip off of Samsung, why buy the competition trying to copy the leader when you can simply buy the leader. China will always swim in the knock off pool, stealing technology to make it their own.
     
    #39     May 30, 2019
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  10. bone

    bone

    Sure. Look at the huge case the EU filed against China specifically about IP theft and forced IP transfers. Filed in June 2018 and expanded in December 2018.

    This is language directly from the European Commission:

    "The European Union challenged today in the World Trade Organisation (WTO) the systemic practices that force European companies to give up sensitive technology and know-how as a precondition for doing business in China. This legal action builds up on a case launched by the EU in June 2018."

    "In its complaint, the EU is targeting rules in China on the import and export of technologies and on Chinese-foreign equity joint ventures. Certain provisions “discriminate against non-Chinese companies and treat them worse than domestic ones,” violating WTO requirements that foreign businesses be put on an equal footing and that IP such as patents be protected, according to the European Commission, the EU’s executive arm."

    http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=1963

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...to-the-wto-over-technology-transfer-practices

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...st-chinese-technology-transfers-idUSKCN1OJ1AP
     
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    #40     May 30, 2019