Huawei Ban

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  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    And that's how you play 3D chess
     
    #41     Jun 7, 2019
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  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/business/economy/china-huawei-trump.html

    China Summons Tech Giants to Warn Against Cooperating With Trump Ban

    SAN FRANCISCO — The Chinese government this past week summoned major tech companies from the United States and elsewhere to warn that they could face dire consequences if they cooperate with the Trump administration’s ban on sales of key American technology to Chinese companies, according to people familiar with the meetings.

    Held on Tuesday and Wednesday, the meetings came soon after Beijing’s announcement that it was assembling a list of “unreliable” companies and individuals. That list was widely seen as a way of hitting back at the Trump administration for its decision to cut off Huawei, the Chinese electronics giant, from sales of American technology. The United States has accused Huawei of stealing trade secrets and conducting surveillance on behalf of Beijing.

    Details about the meetings, the latest move in two weeks of high-stakes economic brinkmanship between the United States and China, were shared by two people familiar with them, who asked not to be named because they were not authorized to discuss them and could face retribution. The companies summoned by Chinese officials included a number of the world’s most important semiconductor firms, as well as other tech giants.

    The breakneck unraveling of the world’s most important trade relationship has left companies and governments around the world scrambling. While the dispute had already been nettlesome for Chinese-U.S. relations, the sudden ban on Huawei last month caught many by surprise, raising the stakes by striking at the heart of China’s long-term technological ambitions.

    Now, each of the two superpowers appears to be crafting new economic weapons to aim at the other. What was once a fraught, but deeply enmeshed, trade relationship is threatening to break apart almost entirely, raising the specter of a new geopolitical reality in which the world’s two superpowers would compete for economic influence and try to freeze each other out of key technologies and resources.

    “This is now extremely delicate because the Trump administration, through its brinkmanship tactics, has destabilized the entire relationship, commercial and otherwise,” said Scott Kennedy, a senior adviser at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies who studies Chinese economic policy.

    The meetings this week were led by China’s central economic planning agency, the National Development and Reform Commission, and attended by representatives from its Ministry of Commerce and Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, who addressed their remarks to a broad range of companies that export goods to China, according to the two people familiar with the gatherings.

    The involvement of three government bodies suggested a high level of coordination and likely approval from the very top of China’s opaque leadership structure. The intervention seemed designed to rally support for Huawei, though the company was not specifically mentioned, the two people said.

    “There is a strong perception in Beijing that the U.S. government is intent on blunting China’s technology rise, and that if this process is not slowed or stopped, the future of China’s entire digital economy is at risk,” said Paul Triolo, the head of geotechnology at the consultancy Eurasia Group, adding that the spat had major political implications for Xi Jinping, China’s president and the head of its ruling Communist Party.

    “Mr. Xi and the party will be seen as unable to defend China’s economic future” if the confrontation with the United States does major damage to Huawei and throws off China’s rollout of the next generation of wireless technology, called 5G, Mr. Triolo added.

    More broadly, the warnings also seemed to be an attempt to forestall a fast breakup of the sophisticated supply chains that connect China’s economy to the rest of the world. Production of a vast array of electronic components and chemicals, along with the assembly of electronic products, makes the country a cornerstone of the operations of many of the world’s largest multinational companies.

    As the trade relationship between the United States and China has broken down, fears have risen in China that major companies will seek to move production elsewhere to avoid longer-term risks. In the meetings this week, Chinese officials explicitly warned companies that any move to pull production from China that seemed to go beyond standard diversification for security purposes could lead to punishment, according to the two people.

    The Chinese officials appeared to have differing messages for the companies, depending on whether they were American or not, the people added.

    To those from the United States, they warned that the Trump administration’s move to cut off Chinese companies from American technology had disrupted the global supply chain, adding that companies that followed the policy could face permanent consequences. The Chinese authorities also hinted that firms should use lobbying to push back against the government’s moves.

    “The Chinese government has regularly resorted to jawboning multinationals to try to keep them in line when there are disputes between China and others that could lead these companies to reduce their business in China,” Mr. Kennedy said.

    The Chinese agencies did not respond to requests for comment.

    In the past, China has used America’s tech behemoths as a tool of diplomacy. For example, during a high-profile visit to the United States in 2015, Mr. Xi stopped in Seattle before heading to Washington. There, he met with a who’s who of American and Chinese tech executives as a way to emphasize the depth of the countries’ economic ties, even as President Barack Obama’s administration sought to chart a course that would push back against China’s anticompetitive trade practices and investment rules.

    This time, such a play is less likely to be effective, said Mr. Kennedy, because it forces the companies to choose between complying with pressure from Beijing and violating U.S. law.

    “American companies aren’t going to violate American laws, especially in such a high-profile context where their actions are scrutinized,” he said. “The companies are between a rock and a hard place, but that hard place will win out.”

    The Chinese officials told companies from outside the United States that as long as they kept up their current relationships and continued to supply Chinese companies normally, they would face no adverse consequences. They also stressed China’s commitment to open trade and its protections of intellectual property, according to the people familiar with the meetings.

    The Trump administration’s ban on sales to Huawei was a blow to semiconductor companies that supply parts used in Huawei’s telecom gear. Several American companies slashed tens of millions of dollarsfrom their quarterly revenue expectations. About 60 percent of all semiconductors sold are connected in some way to China’s supply chain, the consulting firm KPMG estimates.

    Resolving the mercantilist standoff may be difficult, said Mr. Triolo, because progress in the trade talks has become linked to progress on the Huawei tech ban, but the Huawei issue cannot be dealt with through the official trade channels. For example, the dispute has been inflamed by fraud charges the United States has brought against the Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou, who is awaiting extradition proceedings in Canada, and obstruction and other charges against the company itself.

    A separate negotiation between high-level officials over Huawei is probably the only way forward, Mr. Triolo said — that, or an even less likely possibility: “Huawei would have to send a team to Washington to admit guilt and negotiate what could be a humiliating agreement with U.S. authorities.”

    “So far, there is no sign that either Beijing or Huawei is considering that option,” he said.
     
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    #42     Jun 8, 2019
  3. dealmaker

    dealmaker

     
    #43     Jun 9, 2019
  4. piezoe

    piezoe

    It is unfortunate that the U.S. has a sociopathic narcissist as its leader. He will not listen to experts but instead will substitute his own flawed judgement. Other countries that have had mentally ill leaders in the past have suffered disastrous consequences. Let us hope we won't suffer the same.
     
    #44     Jun 10, 2019
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  5. userque

    userque

    Apparently, the beliefs and ideals the Founding Fathers set forth regarding the Office of the President, and other officials, that have gotten us this far, are no longer desired; as shown by the last election.

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    “In a [republic] democracy, people get the leaders they deserve.” – Joseph de Maistre
     
    #45     Jun 10, 2019
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  6. ironchef

    ironchef

    And in a democracy, leadership is a popularity contest, not an ability contest.
     
    #46     Jun 11, 2019
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  7. userque

    userque

    Currently true. But with a sufficiently educated citizenry, it doesn't have to be true as they would be smart enough to know better.

    We can dream, right.
     
    #47     Jun 11, 2019
  8. newbreak

    newbreak

    what does Trump and the US pentagon or Wall street financial cronies want from the Chinese communist party?

    These people want China to become a capitalist country and abandon communism and install a democracy or fake democracy where the 1% control gov't and corporations own the country and own the politicians and own American bureacratsy like the SEC,FDA,FBI etc. or or all the agencies. who sell out to corporate money.

    Americans should learn from history. these blacklisting and trade embargos lead to war. China would ban all American companies to leave the country and ban apple, ban American movies and close all investments and ban Chines pension funds and Chinese nationals from investing in American companies and stocks and bonds. and go iron curtain. and start blacklisting.

    what you have ill will between the two countries. and always leads to war. hate always leads to war and kill. I don't hate you, I want to kill you! people who preach hate just asking to get killed.


     
    #48     Jun 11, 2019
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  9. newbreak

    newbreak

    What you have is the classic gov't doing the dirty work for American corporations.
    Hauweii sells more phones than Apple and motorolla combined. and is private company Hauweii pays billions in ip patent fees to American firms for their 'patents' and buys billions in tech cause the American companies have the patents and they have to honor WTO...now if the Americans starts to declare war. whose intent is to bankrupt hauweii or any state owned companies..Samsung is basically gov't supported cell phone company. well it's not to sit well with the Chinese gov't. if that is the intent of American policy to destroy the top tech company in it's country. American have evil intent. and actions like blacklisting etc and threats and bad mouthing and accusations of ip theft etc. you think ip theft is the reason these tariffs are there. you believe that garbage, it's because Chinese communist won't sellout to capitalism in the country as Trump demands. they won't privatize state owned industries and won't allow foreign competition in their country why you think google as kicked out.! this is why they don't want foreign ownership or control of major industries. corporations own America.
     
    #49     Jun 11, 2019
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  10. newbreak

    newbreak

    now if China was 'stealing' technology why would they still being buying tech from japan, America? this ip theft accusations is just red herring. BS man! some people accusing China of selling drugs. watch the movie trading places..two old man decide to bring down Thorpe...frames in a drug bust and then bust him for theft ...US goal is to destroy hauweii via manipulation and any means necessary including lie, stealing and risk military war from some crazy goal or get trade deal force China to open it's market up to foreign entry or competition etc. America wants China to open up it's markets and using these tariffs as negotiating tactic. okay. China is socialist communist country. and people in China are have economic prosperity and better off than 30 years ago. Americans either wants to destroy China economy or something as China is rising economically and technologically and soon may not need to buy technology from japan or American and won't honor WTO patents and leave WTO.
     
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    #50     Jun 11, 2019