HSI --- the perfect market

Discussion in 'Trading' started by kiwi_trader, Aug 16, 2007.

  1. The SPI has been very good the last few days it is just so big though i lijke trading mulitple contracts but the most I fancy here are 2 lots as the contract is lumpy but you can get on some great moves
     
    #51     Aug 22, 2007
  2. TRS

    TRS

    Agree re SPI. Range is very good. No idea how you guys trade HSI.
     
    #52     Aug 22, 2007
  3. RedDuke

    RedDuke

    Totally agree. Starting last week, it basically became untradable.

    I went back to DAX for now. The hours are horrible for me (wake up call at 2:30am), but I can trade.
     
    #53     Aug 22, 2007
  4. joesan

    joesan

    Some Chinese traders started to trade HSI, using it as a practice for the incoming mainland Shanghai-Shenzhen 30 index futures contract. They are a gang of pure believers of capital power, win big or lose all, gambler's philosophy.
     
    #54     Aug 22, 2007
  5. When does the mainland contract open (I'd like them to fuck off soonest)?

    Meantime I'm going to trade sgxnk and spi. Trading europe doesn't appeal.
     
    #55     Aug 22, 2007
  6. This seems to be half of the answer:

    August 13, 2007

    MON
    13
    AUG

    Stock index futures
    By Michael Pettis

    From today's South China Morning Post:

    The China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) is poised to allow trading in the mainland's first equity-based derivatives - likely to be stock index futures contracts based on the Shanghai-Shenzhen 300 Index as early as next month. The move was expected after the investor watchdog issued licences this month to more than 40 brokerages to trade on the China Financial Futures Exchange, established in Shanghai in September last year.

    Not a good idea, I think. The main problem with the Chinese capital markets is not that they lack hedging tools, sophisticated instruments, or even good financial data (which they do lack). It is that the investor base is completely unbalanced. There is no way for fundamental investors or arbitrageurs to act profitably, but on the other hand there is plenty of useful information for speculators (insider activity, government intervention, fraud, sudden regulatory changes, etc.).

    As a result, this is a wholly speculative market and for all the talk it hasn't changed much in the six years I have been here. Giving a wholly speculative market derivative instruments that multiply leverage will only add unnecessary volatility to the market.

    On the other hand, for those who are long B-shares (full disclosure: such as me), this is a great thing. B-shares are so cheap relative to their A-share equivalents (more than 30% discount) that it makes sense for foreign investors to buy B-shares and short the index. Of course there will be tons of tracking error, but with a 50% return to convergence, what's a little tracking error?
     
    #56     Aug 22, 2007
  7. inPeace

    inPeace


    Good point.

    but i guess the abnormal divergence still a greater than bearable risk for most individual traders to go into the trade which i suppose to be mid/long term nature. short term would be too volatile to do?
     
    #57     Aug 22, 2007
  8. inPeace

    inPeace


    that's why i'm worrying that their participation will greatly change the market pattern or at least make it pattern-less for some time. bad for trading systems.



    Ohohoh!! r THEY the casue of these days' astronomical volatility!??
     
    #58     Aug 22, 2007
  9. WD40

    WD40

    No worries, just buy and hold. You will make money
     
    #59     Aug 22, 2007
  10. RedDuke

    RedDuke

    Kiwi,

    I am not sure which time zone you are in. I am sure you have heard of DAX futures. It is a very good contract to trade. It is much thicker then HSI, and it is volatile, though not as much as HSI of course.

    Regards,
    redduke
     
    #60     Aug 22, 2007