How to trade a pool of money?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by igotbadbeat, Feb 7, 2009.

  1. DblArrow

    DblArrow

    If your are trading stocks can't help any - if trading commodities -

    Just set yourself up as a CPO and keep the number of people below 15 (I think) and money below $400K and file all the necessary exemptions with the NFA and the CFTC (check out both of the sites for the info) and trade as one money.

    Hope that helps somewhat.
     
    #11     Feb 9, 2009
  2. Tresor

    Tresor

    #12     Mar 23, 2009
  3. In addition to Pekelo's rather excellent advice, I think it is far more important to determine how you will split-up the losses than it is for you to figure-out how to split the profits! :D

    And take a gander at Pit Bull by Buzzy Schwartz before you get so hot under the collar to manage one-half a million dollars of your friend's money.

    Anywho, despite the fact that most here don't think it's a great idea, good luck.

    P.S. All it takes is one bad apple to spoil the whole cart, don't forget that!
     
    #13     Mar 23, 2009
  4. Other than some of the excellent advice, I think all you need to do is incorporate a "trading club". You literally set yourselves up as limited partners and get a tax ID. Let the club pay the taxes directly out of the fund.

    You will need a lawyer and accountant though. If ANYTHING goes wrong, even a silly mistake you will regret not having retained the services of both of those folks ahead of time and getting advice from them OFTEN.
     
    #14     Mar 24, 2009
  5. mostly bad advice for a beginner. the one piece of good advice is the ib advisor account. you dont need lawyers or accountants or other paperwork hassles with ib. since each pearon has his own seperate account and you do not take control of that account, in most states you are not required to do any reporting and each account holder pays his own taxes.
    you do not want to take control of the money and treat it as a pool. that opens you up to all kinds of paperwork requirements and legal liabilities. once you become established and get a few profitable years under your belt you can think about taking that step.
     
    #15     Mar 24, 2009
  6. trendo

    trendo

    "IB caps the amount of advisor fees earned in any 360 day period to 25% of the client's average equity over this period, with additional cap limits at 30 day increments in-between (i.e. 7.2% over the last 30 days, 17.7% over the last 180 days). When any fee cap is exceeded for a client, the advisor will not receive any client fees until the fee cap is no longer exceeded"

    The above quote is from IB's website. The OP wants to split the profit 50/50, but it looks like IB calculates fees not by profit, but by average equity. So if the client lowers/raises his average equity by withdrawing/depositing funds, then the advisor's fees will go down/up, even though the profit (in absolute dollars) is the same? Can someone shed some light on this? It's a little confusing:confused:
    Thanks in advance.
     
    #16     Mar 24, 2009
  7. With all respect, the OP has to get a Lawyer and he must also retain a qualified Accountant the both whom can adivse him as to the correct way to develop and maintain his business.

    Don't do this in a half-ass fashion, otherwise it will just comeback and bite you in it!
     
    #17     Mar 24, 2009
  8. nonsense. i have used the advisor account for years. it is set up to eliminate the need for a back office. the key is that you do not control the money. you only have trading access.
    especially now post madoff it will become more burdensome if you have control of the money. once he survives long enough to know he can even make it he can think about going the fund route with all of the paperwork burdens that comes with it,
     
    #18     Mar 24, 2009