How to start a hedge fund?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by praetorian2, Aug 26, 2001.

  1. tradex21

    tradex21

    If you set up one of these things in the the U.S. in ANY FORMAT just pray everything goes well and no attention comes your way. Because if it doesn't go well the only trading your going to see is when you can persuade the federal prison guard to put on CNBC on the cafeteria TV.
     
    #31     Aug 29, 2001
  2. why do you say that?
     
    #32     Aug 29, 2001
  3. These things are set up as LLC's - limited liability corporations. The "limited" liability doesn't apply if any fraudulent activity takes place. As someone managing other people's money, you're held to a much higher standard.

    Investors are understandably (and rightfully) concerned about what goes on in a fund they've invested in - and they have the right to demand an accurate and timely account from their manager.

    If you don't stick exactly to the rules as laid out in the prospectus (use any instrument not explicity defined, exceed leverage or risk mgmt guidelines, trade any security not described in the prospectus, etc), fail to provide timely and accurate accounting or misrepresent returns or positions held and you could be in significant trouble, civil and criminal, state and federal. not a good place to find yourself...btw there's no 3 strikes in the securities industry, you don't get a second chance.

    If anyone is seriously considering starting a hedge fund - consult a knowledgable attorney who has experience in setting these things up, get a good accounting firm and a good administrator (if offshore)...Sure they're expensive, but you'll sleep better.
     
    #33     Aug 29, 2001
  4. Babak

    Babak

    P2,

    why not just start a website selling calls? ala shortboy.com or trendfund.com, et al.

    vini, vidi, websiti

    lol


    ;)
     
    #34     Aug 29, 2001
  5. praetorian,

    I think it would be extremely difficult to have 100% a year while managing say $50mil under this market conditions.
     
    #35     Aug 29, 2001
  6. I'm absolutely confident that I could turn 100%+ a year. Not to sound boastful, but I just know I could.
    I already have a room. I would feel like a prick if I made people pay for my thoughts.... Trust me, they're not that great. Besides, no one in my room even trusts my ideas. It's very difficult for people to catch falling knives. It's very contra normal trading practices to take a large loss at first.
     
    #36     Aug 29, 2001
  7. praetorian,

    What do you mean by "I already have a room"? Do you trade at professional firm?
     
    #37     Aug 30, 2001
  8. Pretorian2 Hey I trade a lot of the same stocks you do. It was one reason I visiited your chat room. You should know that. It is also why some of the same guys keep coming back.

    Michael it is a chat room on yahoo he is referring to.
    He has been thinking of joining my firm Echotrade soon though


    I haven't been visiting as often due to having trouble logging in, having enough of my own signals, and latetly taking most of the week off due to the holdiay and low volume.

    They are right though. It is usually a lot harder to do the big returns with bigger accounts. Peak to Trough is extremely important. If you can return 100% than your drawdown shouldn't be above 20%. You usually have to become more conserative with other investors money. You are on the right track though and thinking the right way. Helping others is the best way to help yourself.

    Rtharp
     
    #38     Aug 30, 2001
  9. What is the name of the chat room? By the way, I'm in the process of joining Echo Trade as well.
     
    #39     Aug 30, 2001
  10. it's called elitetradinginaction.... for some reason, yahoochat, has been wierd lately, and it's been tough to get in.
     
    #40     Aug 30, 2001