How to short the S&P using options? Day & swing puts

Discussion in 'Options' started by KCalhoun, Sep 11, 2021.

  1. qlai

    qlai

    I think the idea is to catch a quick pop to get the option into ITM for a break even trade. It’s similar/related to trading whole numbers. I don’t think it has anything to do with the Greeks, as @Dustin pointed out.
     
    #61     Sep 12, 2021
  2. Ken seems kind of crazy ...the type of guy to immediately buy a Rolex, sports car...have a mistress, buy cool clothes, eat at restaurants, night clubs, sail, go on vacation to Hawaii or the Carribean...if he ever truly came upon money. o_O
    And his trading style, performance, history, record kind of reflects that erraticness and unstability.
     
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    #62     Sep 12, 2021
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  3. I seek money. I seek volatility and range -- and only weekly options can provide that, closer to expiration.

    I'm sure a lot of people can make the argument it's nothing more than dumb duck casino gambling, but if you have a certain degree of skill, talent, experience, wisdom, philosophy, tactics...it's like having x-ray vision on the blackjack card count shoot deck, or on where the roulette ball will land on the spinning wheel.
     
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    #63     Sep 12, 2021
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  4. KCalhoun

    KCalhoun

    Agree -- Volatility and range (with risk mgmt) is everything :D

    Not squiggly line t/a etc .... the main use of charts is to show trend and more important, range and directional volatility. Many don't get it. As I say, the math is more important than charts.

    And I've had sports cars, Brioni suits, traveled the world, lots of ladies, etc.... I love trading more than all of it (^_^)
     
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    #64     Sep 12, 2021
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  5. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    dustin buys options. He is implicitly making long gamma bets but has shown (at least in his journal) that he’s good at finding stocks that are moving enough to pay for the decay.
     
    #65     Sep 12, 2021
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  6. If you are looking to simulate long (or short) stock, it seems that you would want to buy deep ITM calls (or puts).

    An Oct 11 410 SPY call has a 91 delta (essentially long stock) and trades for $37, so 11x leverage relative to long stock ($450/share)

    The liquidity of said options can be problematic. The call referenced above only had 5 contracts trade on Friday. I think that's the biggest issue

    I am probably misunderstanding you, but FWIW...
     
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    #66     Sep 12, 2021
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  7. Dustin

    Dustin

    I've had 400%+ returns the last 2 years on a decent sized account. With 0DTE you are targeting 1000-1500% per day on the trade. 8-12% would be considered very poor performance. K.I.S.S.
     
    #67     Sep 12, 2021
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  8. So you’re only capturing 200% on potentially +1,000,000% annual opportunity? I am sure you are making money but I don’t think what you’re describing is as simple as you claim.
     
    #68     Sep 12, 2021
  9. Dustin

    Dustin

    You need experience, discipline, and maybe a little luck on your side when the trade hits. The idea is simple, proper execution isn't.
     
    #69     Sep 12, 2021
  10. Well then we’re in accord:thumbsup:
     
    #70     Sep 12, 2021
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