How to short the S&P using options? Day & swing puts

Discussion in 'Options' started by KCalhoun, Sep 11, 2021.

  1. taowave

    taowave

    I was counting on you to know which film that line came from..

    How awesome was that movie??



     
    #111     Sep 13, 2021
  2. ondafringe

    ondafringe

    It sounds like he's a day trader. You live in a different world.
     
    #112     Sep 13, 2021
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  3. ondafringe

    ondafringe

    I think the % return would depend on how much the broker required to day trade ES (S&P Futures e-Mini). A lot of brokers only require $400 or $500 margin to day trade one ES contract. Some require 25% of initial, which would be a little over $3k.

    Index futures are explosive, as well.

    Let's say you had good timing with ES today and at 1305 ET you went short one contract at 4454. Then, at 1430 ET, you closed your short trade at 4438 for a 16 point gain. The multiplier for ES is $50, so you would have made $800.

    If you were trading through a broker that only required $400 or $500 margin and you just made $800, could you duplicate that with options? With $3k available for premium, I'm guessing, yes. But with only $400/$500 available for premium, I'm guessing, no.
     
    #113     Sep 13, 2021
  4. Overnight

    Overnight

    But there must be a solution. @SPX Options Trader When you mention intraday, are you trading options at 0-DTE only?
     
    #114     Sep 13, 2021
  5. taowave

    taowave

    FWIW,he stated(somewhere) that he only trades ATM...
    He did not say if he trades 2 ATM options instead of stock or one option..or for that matter 10..

    My guess is he trades delta neutral to equivalant stock position,which is basically saying long straddless are a better bet than short straddles..



     
    #115     Sep 13, 2021
  6. Overnight

    Overnight

    ATM options with 0-DTE? This is where I fall down on options. The most basic concepts like that.

    @SPX Options Trader We need your guidance here. Please give me an option with options on my basic question, which should be able to be salvaged with basic options trades.
     
    #116     Sep 13, 2021
  7. ondafringe

    ondafringe

    If there is a solution for you, it will probably involve crawling into bed with a lot of Greeks.
     
    #117     Sep 13, 2021

  8. And being anally penetrated.
     
    #118     Sep 13, 2021
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  9. Overnight

    Overnight

    Nope, no Greeks allowed. SPX does not go that complicated. I want a simple solution to a simple problem, because that is what SPX says he does.

    All he does is simply buy/sell calls and puts. So with just ONE LITTLE position like an MES long trade, can he come up with a sort of hedge?

    I know @destriero already has an answer in his head, But this is not about him. This is about SPX who is claiming that simple buys/calls are a superior method of trading options.
     
    #119     Sep 13, 2021
  10. Overnight

    Overnight

    Screw you dude, that was unwarranted. You got a problem with me, you take it to PMs.
     
    #120     Sep 13, 2021