How to make money trading in this market?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by burtonridr, Feb 5, 2009.

  1. Open one of those retail 1:700 micro forex trading accounts based in Cyprus or Russia :D
     
    #41     Feb 6, 2009
  2. mwerbe

    mwerbe

    First get an account at a reasonably priced brokerage firm like interactive brokers, second don't daytrade options the spreads will kill you, third if you do trade options realize that the market will do what you don't expect it to so the more ridiculous a trade seems the better it probably is and the safer something seems the more dangerous it is, cut your losses small on stocks and let your winners ride obvious advice but hard to do in practice when you think you are right, realize that you have no idea what you are doing until you have traded for a few years and you have a decent chance at sucess
     
    #42     Feb 6, 2009
  3. Cutten

    Cutten

    My sincere advice is to forget trying to make money trading. Just from your post, there are several signs that you'll be another sheep to the slaughter. You would be far better off following the good advice in the first two replies to you on this thread. Dust off your CV and get out there and find a job in the field you are qualified for. An amateur trader wannabe is about as likely to make a living as a 5'9 kid who wants to play in the NBA.

    If for some reason you do persist in throwing your money away in the market, I will give you one bit of market advice: whenever you find yourself saying this "I cant make heads or tails about what is going to happen", then the correct response is simple - DO NOTHING. Do not have on any positions when you don't know what is going on. Only have positions on a minority of the time, when you understand what's happening. The trouble is, as a beginner you will almost never understand what it happening, it will take 2-3 years for you to pick it up and that is if you have an aptitude for it - the average person wouldn't pick it up even after 5 years.
     
    #43     Feb 6, 2009
  4. drcha

    drcha

    As usual, there is no shortage of people telling the OP that he cannot do something.....

    burtonridr, you mention options--read Larry McMillan's Options as a Strategic Investment. It's a tome, so I suggest getting pretty comfortable with just the first six chapters. Then cruise over to cboe.com and look at Dan Sheridan's videos on option trading.

    Yeah, yeah, I know, by the time you read and study all that stuff, the current set of opportunities will have passed and everything about the markets will have changed. That's okay, though. You are correct that with options you can make money in any kind of market. So try to be a bit patient.

    It is key to understand volatility. I can't stress that enough. Volatility will be your best friend if you understand it.

    Options, unlike stocks, require a large investment in time, effort and paper trading to understand and trade successfully. One technique for learning is to paper trade every technique you read about that interests you for a while, then decide whether you are really comfortable using that methodology. Set up a big paper trading account and a small real trading account. You will end up paper trading a lot of stuff that you don't ever end up trading for real. I think it's important to do some real trades, though, since one never can attach the emotion to bits and bytes that one does to real money.

    Needless to say, there is a lot of leverage in options trading and one needs to get familiar with how the prices behave, how volatility and time to expiration affect them, and how the time to expiration and distance from the strike changes the rate at which option prices change. It's quite different from trading stocks.

    Liquidity is key; b/a spreads are outrageous with options. I encourage you to trade indexes. If you want to trade small while getting the hang of things, use etfs. Take a look at rut or ndx, or the equivalent etfs. If you are trading etfs, dia and spy also have good liquidity. If you want to trade equity options, choose heavily traded issues remote from earnings dates.

    Unfortunately I don't think there are any shortcuts in options trading. The learning curve is steep--but by no means impossible.

    Good luck. Post again in the options section if you have questions.
     
    #44     Feb 6, 2009
  5. Well here is something you could look at: go to youtube and type in S&P trader. The man puts videos up almost daily laying out his system of trading S&P eminis using support and resistance levels, macd and some other TA stuff. If you are looking to develope a system of trading, the videos are quite informative and the support and resistance levels he publishes every week are useful in understanding why the market made certain moves. You could easily buy calls or puts using his information for entry/exit points.
     
    #45     Feb 7, 2009
  6. Cutten

    Cutten

    drcha - the reason for the pessimism is because you need genuine passion and commitment to have a chance of succeeding in this kind of field, and from his posts he doesn't appear to have it. He's coming across as a dabbler, not someone with the drive, hunger, and obsession with the markets required to be successful.

    From his later posts at least he is keeping his stakes low, but let's be honest here - he'd be better off just paying down the rest of his debt and finding another job which he enjoys, than he would be by dabbling in the markets. It may sound patronising but it's the truth, just as it's the truth if an NBA regular tells a lazy 5'9 guy who can't jump to find another line of work.

    I would love to be proven wrong but as a trader I wouldn't bet on it.
     
    #46     Feb 7, 2009
  7. chartman

    chartman

    Quote from burtonridr:

    BTW today I traded BAC stocks for a few hours and came out ahead $62

    I bought 200 shares of BAC at $5.80 then held them until $6.04.

    Then rode the downside from $5.97 to $5.82

    So I grossed $62 and paid $60 in trading fees lol

    Yesterday I did much better and had a net of about $50

    The cost of trading is gonna kill me with only $1000
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    How can one trade 200 shares at $5.80 per share on a deposit of $1000? This has to be a cash account.:confused:
     
    #47     Feb 7, 2009


  8. do you really need to ue emas and level 2 data?? :eek: :cool: Lol

    You could simplifiy it alot which would probably give you less small losing trades.


    Abd that wont help the guy tough cos you havent actually gievn him a trading method or stratergy that he can actually use day by day, and shown him how to identify the strong key S&R levels...,
    you have simply tol the bloke a list of stockmarket indictors and reminded him that as long as he has his trade in the direction that the market moves in he will make money!
    :D
     
    #48     Feb 7, 2009

  9. You like that stratergy then mate?? :)

    And if you want to pickup all the basics of trading oil as well as a few other markets you are welcome to join the little community in my trading journal ''5% t 10% profit per day trading'',
    where theres a group of us who discuss the fundamentals n news of the market throughout the day,
    and every night i post what the key levels that you need to watch for the next day on both the upisde and downside,
    +quite a few live trade calls daily. :)
     
    #49     Feb 7, 2009
  10. Redneck

    Redneck

    Thank you for such astute hokum

    I’ll take it under advisement

    Regards
     
    #50     Feb 7, 2009