How to hedge SPY?

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by kmiklas, Jul 13, 2021.

  1. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    I got smacked the other day: long on a basket of about 20 equities from different sectors in the SnP, thinking that sector diversity would protect me from any big moves... but they all got away from me together! Grr...

    How would you hedge downside risk for SPY? A couple ideas I have: (all price-normalized):

    - Set up pairs for each of the sectors, like T and VZ. Long one, short the other. Pretty much a classic pair trade, but I'm using it as a hedging device.
    - Long SPY, short DOW, QQQ and/or some other ETF.
    - Hedge a specific equity in SPY (GS) against its sector ETF (XLF)

    Any way to hedge against downside risk in the SnP going long? I'd kinda like to avoid the fees if possible.

    Thx in advance for the responses. Keith XD :)
     
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  2. zghorner

    zghorner

    VIX

    EDIT: not UVXY which can eat my ballsack
     
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  3. Girija

    Girija

    Find beta of the equities to sp500 index and hedge with index put / vix call. Gold and long term bond are hedges too although arguably not optimal at the moment.
    Hedging every single trade can be expensive.
     
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  4. Arnie

    Arnie

    The problem with using VIX is you die by a thousand cuts...positive skew. So you lose lose lose in the hopes of getting a big move in your favor. Just look at a chart of VXX.
    I think I would look at selling calls and using the proceeds to buy puts. Or just buy puts.

    There really is no such thing as true diversification in equities.
    In fact, when the proverbial stuff hits the fan everything goes down.
     
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  5. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    Premiums get pricey...
     
  6. ValeryN

    ValeryN

    Just ran a simple test that buys both VXX and SPY at the open and closes at the close.
    1 SPY to 0.15 VXX seems to be optimal ratio for that period. Not too bad for hedging considering simplicity.

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    PS. VIX on the pictures = VXX
     
  7. Arnie

    Arnie

    How would commissions affect that?
     
  8. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    Thank you!!! What tool did you use for this comparison?
     
  9. 1. Calculate your portfolio beta
    2. Sell SPY in that ratio for every dollar you have in your long only portfolio

    E.g. if your portfolio beta is 1.25, and you have $100k invested in your portfolio, then you would sell $125k worth of SPY.

    You are now beta hedged.
     
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  10. ValeryN

    ValeryN

    It's RealTest. Here is my script
    Code:
    TestSettings:
        AccountSize: 100000
        StartDate: 1/1/10
        EndDate: 1/1/22
        TestName: SPY_HEDGE
    
    Template: defs
        Allocation: S.StartEquity
        Commission: 0
        Slippage: 0
    
    Strategy: SPY
        Using: defs
        Quantity:  (S.Alloc * 0.1) / FillPrice
      
        Side: Long
        EntrySetup: Symbol == $SPY
    
        ExitRule: 1
        EntryTime: AtOpen
        ExitTime: AtClose
    
    Strategy: VIX
        Using: defs
        //Commission: Max(0.005 * Shares, 1) // IB
        Quantity:  (S.Alloc * 0.015) / FillPrice
      
        Side: Long
        EntrySetup: (Symbol == $VXX or Symbol == $VXX_201901)
    
        ExitRule: 1
        EntryTime: AtOpen
        ExitTime: AtClose
    @Arnie
    As for commissions I didn't include any or slippage. Both are feasible assumptions these days as those are highly liquid instruments.
     
    #10     Jul 13, 2021