How to decide on the proper strike and expiry month while opening a long box spread

Discussion in 'Options' started by Victor123, May 12, 2015.

  1. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    No.

    It only makes sense to create a box if bid offer is probhitive in closing the actual position.

    In 2007 it made sense to trade boxes of you funded better than libor. But only a handful of firms could do that.
     
    #11     Aug 19, 2015
  2. So this discrepancy in the box price is solely an artifact of the instrument going ex-dividend immediately after?

    Since most instruments drop by the dividend price immediately after going ex-div, why would it be beneficial to exercise a call and collect the dividend? It seems pointless.
     
    #12     Aug 19, 2015
  3. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    If you didn't there would be arbitrage.

    If I knew you won't exercise the call, I will sell you the call (at intrinsic value) and hedge at 100 delta. On ex-div date, the stock will receive the dividend and drop in price accordingly (no gain or loss). But the call will settle to the ex-div stock price (a gain to me and a loss to you).
     
    #13     Aug 19, 2015
  4. Okay - I get that. Is there a strategy in that approach? I suppose you'll be hit with too many commissions for it to pay, but (theoretically), since the premium is about .5 over the 10 box, if STOCK expires a dividend value below the lower strike, then the calls would expire worthless - no reason to exercise, right?
    If it moved well above the upper strike, then the box holder can exercise his long calls before ex-div and be at 0 position on the underlying without losing much time value. If STOCK doesn't move, then close the position before ex-div.

    If it moves down in the meantime, the time-value of the dividend should drop - it should roughly match the delta of the option, I would think.

    On a stock with high dividends, lots of volatility, and tight option spreads - could this work?


    ofAlso, shouldn't the puts reflect the dividend? An ITM put will pick up the div price drop after ex-div, so it should have the mirror dynamic of the call, no?

    Thanks for your comments - much appreciated.
     
    #14     Aug 19, 2015
  5. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    ,most market participants won't allow themselves to be arbed. So it's hard to trade it unless you can get favorable pricing and free commissions.

    A put is different than a call. It's preferable to exercise after an ex date because the put will be worth more after the stock price falls.
     
    #15     Aug 19, 2015