freealways, for your files: contrary to the socialist Tony Blair, socialist leader of the socialist Labour Party and socialist British Prime Minister i am far from being an armchair socialist.
Well, I have already given you an excellent attention grabbing way to prove that you aren't just a pretty face and armchair talker. Just go and do it. freealways
I cannot see why someone has to offer their life for their conviction! But perhaps you get some comfort from the fact that there are indeed people who went to Bagdad to symbolically act as human shields. Conversely, freealways, why don't you offer yourself as a guinea pig for the testing plants of "tactical nuclear weapons"? Rumsfeld will explode a little nuke half a mile away from your home, and surely almost nothing will happen to you. France did something like that in the Mururoa Atoll, and remember how happy the Aussies were?
Fairplay I am absolutely fed up with unthinking but otherwise well intentioned people. A lot of people are presently demonstrating against a war against Iraq. In the interest of a well informed debate I went to an Iraqi website http://www.iraq.net/ and read several eye opening articles with headings s shown below. "Philadelphia Freedom Rally" See http://www.iraq.net/erica/news-e/archives/00001207.htm ------------------------------ and "Anti-war Demonstrations Lack Support from the People of Iraq" See http://www.iraq.net/erica/news-e/archives/00001206.htm ------------------------ and "Stop the war ? Try telling that to the tyranised people of Iraq" See http://www.iraq.net/erica/news-e/archives/00001205.htm These articles throw a completely different light onto the subject compared with the emotional babble of people who, whilst well intentioned, have forgotten what history so generously teaches us. Cheers, freealways
..have forgotten what history so generously teaches us. Cheers, freealways [/QUOTE] I do not quite get it: "history so generously teaches us"? Are you telling me that history repeats itself? Was it Napoleon who said something along the following line "history repeats itself: the first time as a tragedy, the second time as a comedy" If you try to compare Saddam Hussein with Hitler, try and think again. The German Army was in those days the most powerful army in the world. It took the British, Soviet and US forces a long time to bring it down. A whole world was fighting them, hence the term "World War"! Reports from Iraq clearly indicate that whatever is left there is a troup of half-starved demoralised kids waiting to throw away their toy-guns. So history repeating itself? You should concentrate on trading whatever you are into, but leave historical studies to the profesionals
"Stop the war ? Try telling that to the tyranised people of Iraq" See http://www.iraq.net/erica/news-e/archives/00001205.htm These articles throw a completely different light onto the subject compared with the emotional babble of people who, whilst well intentioned, have forgotten what history so generously teaches us. Cheers, freealways freealways seems to be better at writing than at reading. if you click on his link you find this: `Of course, this war is not being fought to save the people of Iraq. Donald Rumsfeld helped to equip Saddam with chemical weapons. When Saddam was "our son of a bitch", we let him butcher, murder and enslave as much as he liked. The Second World War, we should remember, was not fought to end the Holocaust and save Jews, gypsies, communists and gay people, either. Winston Churchill was not opposed to gassing people who he considered to belong to an "inferior race". He said in 1923, "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes." When he was Secretary of State for War and Air, he personally sanctioned the gassing of inconvenient primitives, and he did not undergo a Damascene revelation in the wilderness years.´
>>..have forgotten what history so generously teaches us. << Yes Fairplay, history is full of examples where socalled righteous people buried their head in the sand. The longer one waits the bigger the price one has to pay. Instead of giving some thought as to what Iraqis actually have to say. all you appear to want to do is win an argument by sidetracking the issue and attacking me as a person. In my practice we call people like that psychos and the waiting rooms (if not the world) are full of them. freealways
Yes Mfse, I don't think the Iraqis care too much if the war is fought for the wrong reasons. All they are interested in is the outcome so that they are freed from the persecution which is imposed on them. You too don't seem to have the ability to grasp that the Iraqis don't appreciate that people want to march to stop the war. Yeh, I agree they are ungrateful, they just haven't got any idea how much you want to help them. I take a very dim view to see some swiss idit telling others how to behave. The record of the swiss is not too good in this regard as they were collaborators with the Nazis so how can we really trust them (even if though they like to portray themselves as a 'neutral' country) ? freealways
freealways:`I take a very dim view to see some swiss idit telling others how to behave. The record of the swiss is not too good in this regard as they were collaborators with the Nazis so how can we really trust them (even if though they like to portray themselves as a 'neutral' country) ?´ frankly, i do not care who you trust. at the moment some untrustworthy and bloodthirsty American`idit´is telling the rest of the world how to behave [good vs. evil - if you´re not with us you´re against us etc.]. my friendly advice: take a dim view on American collaboration with the Nazis [the Bush family, Ford, GM, IBM et alii] before telling others whom to trust. Switzerland´s military neutrality is a state doctrine. contrary to America Switzerland is a democracy with the consequence that every Swiss citizen is free to think and say what, when and where he choses.