How they really made lots of money...

Discussion in 'Trading' started by crgarcia, Mar 23, 2007.

  1. omcate

    omcate

    I get all the data from the following web sites:

    http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/54/5GZ7.html

    http://www.turtletrader.com/trader-simons.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harris_Simons

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_Technologies

    http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/printer_1000article_10005996.shtml

    If memory serves, the inception time for Medallion Fund was late 1988. It may be the reason that most people cited the annual performance of this fund starting at 1989.

    You may be able to find more updated information by using GOOGLE. Just search for the keywords: James Simons Medallion
     
    #11     Mar 24, 2007
  2. omcate

    omcate

    Being an old man, I have a bad memory:D

    The inception time for Medallion Fund was March 1988. Should double-check by using Google, before opening my big mouth.:(
     
    #12     Mar 24, 2007
  3. The "leverage" comes from getting more profits with less investment.

    More profits since you are investing other people' money, and not providing all the investing capital yourself.

    Less investment since your investment is only the cost to run an office. Most hedge-funds have small offices with less than 10 employees.
     
    #13     Mar 24, 2007
  4. Much of what Simons says in interviews is misdirection,
    pure and simple. His public statements are rife with
    contradictions, obfuscations, inside jokes, and nonsense.
    Rentec is VERY secretive. You can't rely on what you can
    find out with a Google search.


    Yes, as Axcom run by Elwyn Berlekamp. Berlekamp did
    not sell his interest to Rentec until Dec 31, 1990. Berlekamp,
    C. Shannon's reseach assistant, was the brains behind
    the funds trading style. At that time Simons was running
    longer term factor models (fundamentals) in his main
    fund, which I think was called Limroy. That fund started
    before Rentec, in 1978 and then after Axcom changed to
    Medallion, you never heard of it.

    That happens to a lot of Simons' funds. The mortgage
    fund was called Matrix. Besides Equimetrics, there was
    a long/short fund that ran from 1995 to 1998 I think,
    and then was folded. There was a venture cap fund
    started right at the exact peak of the tech boom. Where
    is that one now? And don't forget the internal fund-of-
    funds, for which Simons claimed higher risk-adjusted
    returns than for Medallion itself. The list goes on...

    Axcom/Medallion started at 20% incentive, not 44%.
    The high fees came later, when it could barely be called
    a public fund. It has been closed to new money since
    1993, and the last of the outside money was given back
    at the end of 2005.


    .
     
    #14     Mar 24, 2007
  5. If you want your lies straight from the horse's mouth,
    instead of via Google, the man himself is giving a talk
    in Paris this coming Wednesday evening.

    I see you are in NYC. Paris is a short flight. This venue
    is where he has dropped the best hints in the past,
    maybe because so few of his local rivals attend.


    .
     
    #15     Mar 24, 2007
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  6. gkishot

    gkishot

    Yes, the profits are bigger but they are splitted between all members in proportion to everyone's contribution. So where is the leverage?

    People didn't make Warren Buffet richer by giving him their money. On the contrary he made people richer by producing those returns for them.
     
    #16     Mar 24, 2007
  7. maxpi

    maxpi

    I'm no expert on Buffet but I read that he traded a lot of covered calls on companies that he owned a big piece of and knew the management well.
     
    #17     Mar 24, 2007
  8. gkishot

    gkishot

    I doubt that covered calls helped him boost his returns. He might have used them simply to smooth out the volatility.
     
    #18     Mar 24, 2007
  9. Buffet is overrated. My dog can make better stock sellections.
     
    #19     Mar 24, 2007
  10. omcate

    omcate

    I cut and paste the following statements from the web site:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_Technologies

    Renaissance Technologies is a hedge fund management company. Renaissance was started by Jim Simons in 1982. Its $6 billion Medallion Fund has averaged 37% annual returns, after fees, since 1989, and is considered in the industry to be the most consistently successful hedge fund, yielding returns ten percentage points higher than legendary investors Bruce Kovner, George Soros, or Paul Tudor Jones.

    If the above information were a complete lie, should SEC, Bruce Kovner, George Soros, Paul Tudor Jones, etc., have taken legal actions against Renaissance Technologies ? They should at least ask this web site to change the above statements.

    Is James Simons a close friend to all of them ?

    I believe what you said, (well maybe not 100% YET:p). But I am a little shocked.
     
    #20     Mar 25, 2007