How much would you need if there is a collapse

Discussion in 'Economics' started by morganist, Aug 13, 2010.

  1. If there is a collapse with the economy how much would you need to survive. Things like food, water, silver, guns etc.

    What would you need and how much would you need of it.

    If you don't believe it will happen don't join, it is a hypothetical question.
  2. Not a bad question but too impossible to answer. Were you in the military or a grandma needing meds? Do you have kids, can you hunt, fish? Do you live in NY or Memphis? See my point?
  3. Some people need more than others. If you want to keep a comfortable lifestyle with internet, cable tv, aircon and lots of steaks & lobsters and wine & beer, then about 100 oz of silver per month will probably get you by. If you are homeless & walking the streets with your tent and just need 1 meal per day to keep you going, then you could do it with about 1/10 oz of silver per day.
  4. pspr


    I wouldn't count on gold and silver acting as a storehouse of wealth after a complete financial colapse. Until and unless some form of stability can be reached people will probably only be willing to trade on a barter system for food, guns, ammo, gas, etc.
  5. "What would you need and how much would you need of it."

    If it were my family's survival in the balance, I would take all of yours.

    I would kill to protect what is mine. Wouldn't you?

    Survival turns people ugly.
  6. the1


    This isn't a bad question at all. As you go through your day think about the items you are using and ask yourself if you can live without them.

    There are certain things that are obvious like matches, batteries, ammo, canned goods, and such, but other things like iodine and a hammer and nails may not be so obvious. Make a list and be prepared. Rotate goods by date and replace. You just don't know what can happen. It may not be an economic collapse but an environmental disaster that may cause the need for these items. The weather patterns are definitely becoming more volatile. Be prepared.
  7. timbo


    As long as I can replicate; who needs an economy.
  8. I'd imagine a large % of people will panic. We'd have to avoid them, so this would mean to sit tight.

    Action would depend on your geographic location and the season. If it was winter in the northeast people may travel south.
    (Suppose one would fish for food, can't do that too well on ice).

    Can't follow the herd. People will herd towards whatever rumor, hope or nearest exit in the event of a "fire".

    Probably the "prepared" will all be out of supplies at the same time. Those that have prepared for 2 weeks, 30 days, a year, whatever.

    The fastest and those with the most money, better connections will leave the crumbs for everyone else.

    Most of us live near like minded people, I suppose you should seek them out and organize resources.
  9. The first 100 things to run out in an emergency

    100 Items to Disappear First

    1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. of thieves; maintenance etc.)
    2. Water Filters/Purifiers
    3. Portable Toilets
    4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
    5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
    6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
    7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
    8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
    9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
    10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
    11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
    12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
    13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
    14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
    15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
    16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
    17. Survival Guide Book.
    18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
    19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
    20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
    21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
    22. Vitamins
    23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
    24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
    25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
    26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
    27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
    28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
    29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
    30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
    31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
    32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
    33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
    34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
    35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
    36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
    37. First aid kits
    38. Batteries (all furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
    39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
    40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
    41. Flour, yeast & salt
    42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
    43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
    44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
    45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
    46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
    47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
    48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
    49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
    50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
    51. Fishing supplies/tools
    52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
    53. Duct Tape
    54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
    55. Candles
    56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
    57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
    58. Garden tools & supplies
    59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
    60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
    61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
    62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
    63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
    64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
    65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
    66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
    67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
    68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
    69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
    70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
    71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
    72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
    73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
    74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
    75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
    76. Reading glasses
    77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
    78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
    79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
    80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
    81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
    82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
    83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
    84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
    85. Lumber (all types)
    86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
    87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
    88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
    89. Lantern Hangers
    90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
    91. Teas
    92. Coffee
    93. Cigarettes
    94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
    95. Paraffin wax
    96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
    97. Chewing gum/candies
    98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
    99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
    100. Goats/chickens

    From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
    Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and
    friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

    1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate
    near renewable food sources.
    2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
    3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
    quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
    4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to
    do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
    5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without
    heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of
    the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs
    enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in
    6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more
    valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival
    guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll
    have a lot of time on your hands.
    7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many
    people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of
    toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to
    lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
    8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches
  10. Bob111


    water..i can do just fine 3-4 days without food. without water you will die in 2-5 days...
    gold,portable toilets,generators are nothing...water..just clean water and you good to go for weeks
    #10     Aug 13, 2010