How much would you bet on this trade

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by Ghost of Cutten, May 16, 2011.

  1. #11     May 17, 2011
  2. Would you be able to elaborate a bit on this as I'm not quite sure what you're getting at? Seems like max allowable loss and probability of losing would be, I'm just not sure how that relates/applies.:)
     
    #12     May 17, 2011
  3. How did you arrive at the win rate and payoff ratio?
     
    #13     May 17, 2011
  4. acrary

    acrary

    In the example, 1500 is used for the wins and 1000 for the losses. In the real world we'll see a distribution of wins and losses such that the mean of the wins would be approx. 1500 and the mean of the losses would be 1000. I don't know that to be the case here, but in general it has been for my systems. Absolute loss and absolute gain targets are usually sub-optimal in trading. I was merely pointing out that if there is a distribution with say a 50% level of std. dev. on both win amount and loss amount, then the drawdown levels wouldn't be drastically different. In this case with the 5% risked the drawdown would increase to 26.6% at the 95% confidence level versus the 23% with no variability in the trades. For the 3% risk level the drawdown would increase to 16.7% at the 95% confidence level.
     
    #14     May 17, 2011
  5. I see what you mean, thanks.
     
    #15     May 17, 2011
  6. Combination of educated guesswork, backtesting, and historical performance.
     
    #16     May 17, 2011
  7. Ok, thanks for the link - but this seems to give the probability of seeing X consecutive losers, not the probability of a given drawdown. You could lose 10 in a row, see 1 winner, then another 6 in a row etc.

    Is there any method other than Monte Carlo simulations that can calculate confidence intervals for max drawdown?
     
    #17     May 17, 2011
  8. Yes, fair point.
     
    #18     May 17, 2011
  9. It's a binomial distribution with P=0.75. The probability of 5 trials and no successes is:

    b(x=0; 5, 0.75) = 5C0 * (0.75)^0 * (0.25)^5 = 0.0009765625.

    Next you can use the above probability of losing 5 times in a row as a new binomial game. The probability of not seeing a 5 event losing streak in 100 trials is the same as the above event not occurring in 20 trials:

    b(x=0; 20; 0.0009765625) = 20C0 * (0.0009765625)^0 * (1 - 0.0009765625)^20 = 0.9806488908.

    The cumulative probability of b(x>=0; 20; 0.0009765625) is simply 1 - 0.9806488908 = 0.0193511092.

    So there's about a 1.935% chance of seeing a 5 event losing streak in 100 trials.

    If you drop your original edge down to P=0.55, things get much worse:

    b(x=0; 5, 0.55) = 0.0184528125.
    b(x=0; 20, 0.0184528125) = 0.6890070402.
    b(x>=0; 20, 0.0184528125) = 0.3109929598.

    so, with P=0.55, you have fully a 31% chance of seeing a 5 event losing streak in 100 trials.
     
    #19     May 17, 2011
  10. Note my error above. 20 independent trials of 5 can miss a losing streak that crosses the 5 event trial boundaries: [11100] followed by [00011] does indeed have a [00000] 5 streak loser crossing the boundary. Some additional recursive math is needed. Probabilities are higher as a result.
     
    #20     May 18, 2011