How much should you risk?

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by kut2k2, Feb 1, 2016.

  1. K-Pia

    K-Pia

    @kut2k2
    If that ain't great returns for you.
    Base Capital: 100 #Trades:1200
    Risk: 12,5% Ratio:1,8 P(G):0,59
    MaxDraw: 7! Minimum: 53

    That stream is an aggregation of worst trades taken from 10 randomly generated series.
     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2016
    #31     Feb 1, 2016
  2. botpro

    botpro

    Here's a more exact result:
    MaxGrowthRate=2.87735% @ fraction=77.793%
     
    #32     Feb 2, 2016
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  3. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Well done.
     
    #33     Feb 2, 2016
  4. I wouldn't go broke, because there is a difference between a math problem and reality.

    I run my actual trading account at something like one fifth Kelly.

    GAT

    PS In real life there is rarely extra credit for more than one significant figure ...
     
    #34     Feb 2, 2016
  5. botpro

    botpro

    Btw, here's the curve, using intervalls of size 0.01: optimal_betsize.png
     
    #35     Feb 2, 2016
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  6. Visaria

    Visaria

    what does the x and y axis represent?
     
    #36     Feb 2, 2016
  7. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Using the new Kelly formula, you can move up to half-Kelly and be perfectly safe.
     
    #37     Feb 2, 2016
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  8. botpro

    botpro

    x-axis: Fraction_of_Acct in intervalls of 1/100% (ie. 100*100=10000 parts = 100%)
    y-axis: Growth%

    As said, the maximum is:
    Growth=2.87735% @ fraction=77.793%
     
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    #38     Feb 2, 2016
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  9. Kelly tells me the absolute maximum I should risk. It doesn't tell me whether I'm going to be happy with that level of risk. Increasing my risk by 2.5 times would terrify me. I'd be too tempted to meddle with my system. I don't need the extra income, thanks very much.

    As well as that you need to consider:

    - leverage required (if my strategy had natural risk of 1% a year - don't fancy gearing that up 25x)
    - leverage available (not a problem trading futures, but a long only equity investor is going to get ~20% vol a year)

    GAT
     
    #39     Feb 2, 2016
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  10. Visaria

    Visaria

    Bit late now, but i thought i would have another go, i came up with an estimate of 51% from doing simple calc on a calculator. Wrong, i know since botpro has come up with the correct answer from using a program, but it was a simple estimate that took a minute to do.
     
    #40     Feb 2, 2016