How much do you aspire to make per year trading

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by Millionaire, May 30, 2022.

How much $$$ would you like per year from trading

  1. 0 - $50K

  2. $50K - $100K

  3. $100K - $250K

  4. $250K - $1M

  5. $1M - $2M

  6. $2M - $5M

  7. $5M - $10M

  8. $10M+

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  1. Overnight

    Overnight

    I gave you a tentative like on your post.

    Remember the puppy. Keep it real.

     
    #171     Jun 3, 2022
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  2. Millionaire

    Millionaire

    That you say you made money on both Thursday and Friday is very impressive.

    Thursday had a 100 point move in ES from the low to high.

    But Friday was very choppy, ES moved in 20 and 30 point ranges for the whole day.
     
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    #172     Jun 4, 2022
  3. Yep. First trade was off the fake numbers catalyst. That was the big one. Then small scalps to get the total up.

    I was quite proud of myself.
     
    #173     Jun 4, 2022
  4. Interesting Thread. There are just 2 questions that need to be answered.

    1. Can you trade successfully and do it consistently. Someone on this forum once said that a day trader should be profitable virtually every day. I believe that to be true.

    I just trade as a retirement hobby and now I am using a Sierra Charts ES chart but actually overlay the TOS entry box for SPY onto the chart using the "keep window on top feature" and trade a few shares. With no commissions the exchange fee is roughly equivalent percentage wise to the AMP futures commission so it is a great way to start small will almost zero risk. This is true because the exchange fee is a percentage of stock sales so it scales up with your size.

    2. Can you scale up your trading size successfully mentally. I keep a detailed spreadsheet on my trading results and convert daily profits down to a "per share" profit so results are standardized as I add shares. Right now I am averaging $1.043 profit per share per day.

    Trading 500 shares of SPY is the equivalent of trading 1 ES contract. So doing the math (500 shares times $1.043 = $521.50 a day) or the equivalent of approximately 10 ES points per contract per day.

    Assuming you trade 240 days a year at $500 daily average profit, that is an annual profit of $120,000 per ES contract traded. If you then traded 50 ES contracts that would be 6 Million per year.

    Let me use an illustration. Say you have a steel beam that is 1 foot wide and 15 feet long. Put it on two concrete blocks in your backyard and you could walk across it 1000 times in a row without even thinking of falling off. Then put that beam in the catwalk of a large atrium 300 feet off the ground with no net below. Could you even make in one time across the beam?

    Trading my small position I think I can trade for years without having a losing week. It is so fun and relaxed it is like mastering a video game. I was bragging to my wife that even though the market was choppy Friday I made $12. But how fast and how far can I scale up. It will be fun to find out.

    I think that is why almost all traders fail, at least in the beginning, they start out trading 300 feet off the ground.
     
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    #174     Jun 4, 2022
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  5. tonyf

    tonyf

    Did you make the second wife sign a prenup. ?
     
    #175     Jun 4, 2022
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  6. Yes everyone does that calculation. I too have a spreadsheet that tracks every single trade (automatically updated) with stats I am interested in.

    The secret is really to get consistent first, then learn to ignore absolute magnitude of PnL swings.

    (And keep your max drawdown below the amount that affects the margin needed for your trading)
     
    #176     Jun 4, 2022
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  7. Overnight

    Overnight

    No, it is going to be absolute hell on earth in your mind. Be prepared for it.
     
    #177     Jun 4, 2022
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  8. NoahA

    NoahA

    Would you share a sample of your trades? With such consistent profits, I'm curious about how it adds ups with the wins and losses.
     
    #178     Jun 4, 2022
  9. I'm not sure why people keep asking. I didn't see a single person's trades before becoming good at this.

    It is a simple question: is it possible to make money in the market every day. The answer is yes. You can deduce how using whatever theory of the market you prefer. This is more or less what I did.

    I can tell you to trade one direction (long) with one setup only and you still won't do it. Even in this bear market there are more than enough long only setups m

    So what difference will my list of trades make???

    None.
     
    #179     Jun 4, 2022
  10. Millionaire

    Millionaire

    ECREE!!

    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" -- Carl Siagon.
     
    #180     Jun 4, 2022
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