How much do day traders make

Discussion in 'Trading' started by newdog, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. ironchef

    ironchef

    No, Jack1960 claimed 30-50% year after year, not 300%. I really like to know if that is possible and if so how.
     
    #211     Feb 5, 2017
  2. Mtrader

    Mtrader

    You should at least make the difference between short term traders and long term traders.

    Shortterm (like daytraders) make much higher returns as their trading is completely different:
    • LT traders:30-50% is excellent.
    • ST traders:30-50% is lousy.
    You cannot compare the two based on returns.
     
    #212     Feb 5, 2017
  3. ironchef

    ironchef

    Thank you for your answer.

    But he said year after year, would that be similar to LT traders and would that be excellent instead of lousy?

    A different question, how easy/difficult it is for ST traders to make 30-50% year after year based on your experience?
     
    #213     Feb 5, 2017
  4. Mtrader

    Mtrader

    Year after year does not mean similar. But for many daytraders making 30% a year would be excellent. For others it would be a real disaster. All depends of your expectations and abilities. I have a friend who is happy if he can make $2-3000 a month. There is no general rule.

    If an athlete would run the marathon in 5 hours it would be a bad result. If I would ever be able to reach the finish no matter in how many hours or even days, it would be extremely excellent. The same applies on trading or anything else.

    Daytrading:
    • High leverage
    • Close stops
    • Lots of trades
    Long term:
    • No high leverage
    • No close stops
    • Not many trades
    So the way of trading is completely different.
    A daytrader should mathematically always beat the return of LT traders.
    A good LT trader can beat a lousy daytrader, so all depends on the trader himself.

    The same remark: Some make it, some don'’t. Some lose a fortune and some make a fortune.
    Each person should try to find on himself what is realistically achievable or not.

    It took me 10 years to become consistent profitable. That means not losing money, which is not equal to making lots of money. But other people might be profitable in 1 year and some never achieve to become profitable at all.

    I started with forex years ago. The first step was to calculate how much pips I should have to take to make money given a certain amount of capital and the margin I would use. I put all this in an Excel and started to make simulations of different combinations of profit per trade, slippage, commissions and losing trades. Then I watched the results in number of winning trades and average profit per trade, and number of losing trades and average loss per trade.

    From the few profitable traders I know, all of them made thousands of hours of research. I think that is unavoidable. A good sportsman has to train also thousands of hours.
     
    #214     Feb 5, 2017
    comagnum and ironchef like this.
  5. Overnight

    Overnight

    I think this is an extreme example in analogy. Think about it.

    Tribes like that have no need for long-distance communication.
     
    #215     Feb 5, 2017
  6. Mtrader

    Mtrader

    I did not say they miss it. My point was that they will never believe that these things exist and work. Like people who don't believe you can make X% return a year.

    To miss something you should first know about the existance of it. You cannot miss something that for you does not exist.

    When I was young we had no internet and no mobile phones. Our children cannot miss them anymore. We didn't miss because we did not know, our children would miss because they do know.

    You never miss what you don't know or if you don't know about the existance of the thing you don't miss because you don't know it.:wtf:

    :banghead: :D :strong:
     
    #216     Feb 5, 2017
  7. Overnight

    Overnight

    Pretty sure you missed the point.
     
    #217     Feb 5, 2017
  8. Mtrader

    Mtrader

    Can you explain it in dutch? Much easier for me. Maybe then I will not miss the point.
    :confused:
     
    #218     Feb 5, 2017
  9. Overnight

    Overnight

    If I spoke Dutch, sure. I do not. Basically, you are comparing apples and oranges here. You are comparing African tribes whom have never seen long-distance communication devices with traders who do not know a bit more about the markets they are trading. There is a huge chasm here between the knowledge they need to communicate with tribes at a very long distance from them, as opposed to a trader who does not know how to leverage his product with something he/she does not know about.

    Those tribes probably do not need to communicate with tribes on the other side of the world for trading their product, because they have never needed it.

    Likewise...If as a trader you are trading a product, and have never needed to trade something on the other side of the world, why would you bother? You never needed it.

    I still feel the African tribe analogy is a terrible one. I'd type more, but "The Big Game" is coming on, and I'ma gonna' watch it. So there. :)
     
    #219     Feb 5, 2017
    algofy likes this.
  10. well done!
    where do you trade from mind me asking?
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2017
    #220     Feb 6, 2017