How much can a retail algo trader expect to earn?

Discussion in 'Automated Trading' started by nemesis45, Jul 17, 2018.

  1. bln

    bln

    I use average 20% annual as a personal minimum target/goal for each year. Selected this as passive long term investing gives 10% annually and that is to slow to grow ones capital. If one start with $10,000 it will take decades to get somewhere (= reach $1 mil). With 20% annually one will double the account every 3.5 years, and that is even conservative and slow.
     
    #21     Jul 19, 2018
  2. sle

    sle

    Well, at 10% you will double your account about every 7.2 years, at 20% every 3.6 years. It will still take decades to reach 1 million. You need to return 45% continuously compounded so you can a million under a decade from 10k, it's a pretty tall order :)

    It really boils down to the relationship of risk to reward in your strategy. If you have a strategy that has very smooth returns, you can lever it up at will, so capital is mostly irrelevant.
     
    #22     Jul 19, 2018
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  3. What a stupif ...ucking question one day you trade 0.5 lots 20 trades next day 1 lots 30 trades next day 1.8 lots 25 trades how are you going too answer how much you make....There are some people soo stupid in this groups it is amazing didnt seem like they ever went too school at all...
     
    #23     Jul 21, 2018
  4. Where would I find precise def and reference for the Sharpe 1, 2, 3+?
     
    #24     Jul 21, 2018
  5. sle

    sle

    Sharpe is just a ratio of your mean return to the standard deviation of your returns. Since you are probably trading market-neutral (most short term traders can make that assumption), you can ignore the interest rate.
     
    #25     Jul 21, 2018
  6. sss12

    sss12

    Question...by "de-correlated" I assume you mean from beta ? And I totally agree, if you can add alpha in such an environment, well that is the key. ..and the difficult part !
     
    #26     Jul 21, 2018

  7. For example, Sharpe 1 is as follows....?

    Assume one start with 100K of cash and win 10K for one year(30K for three year), and his return curve exhibits as much as 10K in stardard deviation.

    Is it true? If not, appreciated to correct for me.
     
    #27     Jul 22, 2018
  8. themickey

    themickey

    3 posts and welcome to ignore
     
    #28     Jul 22, 2018
  9. p0box4

    p0box4

    It also depends on the instruments you are trading.

    If you are unable to scale up, for example when you are trading gasoline or heating oil, then the potential earnings will be lower then when you are trading ES where you can trade up to a few 100 contracts.
     
    #29     Jul 22, 2018
  10. Is there any trader who attains annual 20% compounded after tax?

    Raise your hand, please.

    For sufficiently long time, one should make 1.2^20 = 38.3376 times for 20 years, and
    1.2^50 = 9100.438 times from 30 to 80.

    For example, with a seed of 10K (100K) at 30, he should have 9100*10K=91M (910M) at 80 to say annual 20% compounded.

    PS) For him, there should be plenty of consistently-losing suckers (traders) in markets.
     
    #30     Jul 22, 2018
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