How market makers price earnings

Discussion in 'Options' started by TheBigShort, May 24, 2018.

  1. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    I first want to mention I have read some of your previous posts and find you very intelligent so thanks for continuing to answer my threads/questions. If I assume that the earnings moves are random then it does not matter about the fundamentals. If earnings are not random, then I will eventually find a model that predicts earnings moves and I will become a lot richer ALOT quicker.
    I have also matched implied move with actual move, and many times over it fails to model the distribution appropriately. The reason I beleive it has not been arbed away is that for the less liquid companies there is a capacity constraint aswell the drawdowns could get intensive. Like you could put on 5 earnings trades in one day each at 3% of total fund value and lose on all 5.

    Lastly I want to mention that humans have an auto correlation pattern(base there decisions on recent past). Look at WMT they have very small earnings moves , last 2 quarters had huge moves so this quarter the expected move was 4.5, the sd for WMT is just over a buck. Thats an easy sell and it was profitable. And if we were wrong and WMT moved a large amount say $8 the losses would have been small.
     
    #41     May 25, 2018
  2. Thanks for the offer! Unfortunately I am looking for a market-wide dataset rather than a few individual names. If you can easily (via loop in API or Excel AddIn VBA) create a file with all current Russell 2000 names, please do so and post it. However that also might impact your monthly symbol limit.

    I've got Zacks estimate and surprise data going back ostensibly to 2006, but the data are absolute shit in the early years. I way overpaid for it ($1800) considering that the daily updates for the exact same dataset are available from Quantopian for $25/month.
     
    #42     May 25, 2018
  3. Interesting plots.

    In the top panel, histograms aren't that good for assessing normality, but it doesn't look like 70% of those are normal. For a better visuall assessment post qqplot/qqline.

    In the bottom panel (the scattargrams) some of the plots do show clearly the expected positive relation, in a few x-wise variation is obscured by a few outliers on the far right, with all the other points clustered around zero on the x axis. It looks like you "suprise" scaling is degenerate on these two scatterplots. Maybe try a different scaling with a more stable denominator like (reported - mean-estimate) / revenues or (reported - mean-estimate) / close-price.
     
    #43     May 25, 2018
  4. Like I would have bee happy selling that straddle for 6. So i am a bit confused
     
    #44     May 26, 2018
  5. srinir

    srinir

    Just grouping the stock that exhibits certain characteristics. For ex. small cap growth looks like traders are always optimistic and probably puts/straddles are undervalued. Then look at entire group of those straddles 2 days prior and 2 days later, instead of looking at individual names.
     
    #45     May 26, 2018
  6. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    Thanks srinir, I will do a study this week on it and document what i find
     
    #46     May 26, 2018
  7. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    Thanks Kevin, I need to do some research on this topic and will get back to everyone when I find something out
     
    #47     May 26, 2018
  8. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    Hey people, CRM straddle looks like an unreal buy. In fact it is currently pricing in an implied move of 3.5%....30 minutes to close this should be even lower. If you take away it's last 4 quarters, the stock should move ~$13 68% of the time. It also has only moved less than 2% twice so the risk reward is there.
     
    #48     May 29, 2018
  9. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    Screen Shot 2018-05-29 at 11.41.35 AM.png The horizontal line is the 3.5 mark. oldest on the left, newest on the right. Screen Shot 2018-05-29 at 11.41.35 AM.png
     
    #49     May 29, 2018
  10. truetype

    truetype

    I strongly advise against violating BBG's TOS in such a fashion. They take it very seriously, with good reason.
     
    #50     May 29, 2018