How market makers price earnings

Discussion in 'Options' started by TheBigShort, May 24, 2018.

  1. From what source is this available? And how much did it cost you?

    I have some earnings estimate/actual data but it is unreliable pre-2013. I am looking for a second source to fill in and cross check my data.
     
    #31     May 25, 2018
  2. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Let me ask you this: why would there be misprocings in earnings that would be significant? And why would you be able to identify them over a market maker who has every conceivable dataset out there?

    I’m not saying that there aren’t opportunities. There are. But not as many as you are making out to be.
     
    #32     May 25, 2018
  3. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    For earnings estimates and surprises I access to a Bloomberg terminal. Estimates/surprises up to 2006. What stock/stocks would you like? I'll send the data on monday
     
    #33     May 25, 2018
  4. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    Supply and demand. I might be focused on the long term expected value, while a big fund is coming into the market to buy puts on their long stock position. Throwing it out of whack. That was the question I was thinking when i started this thread. Why in heavens name would a market maker price the move wrong.
     
    #34     May 25, 2018
  5. srinir

    srinir

    Here is the data from recent Factset report.
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    There is definite correlation between earnings surprise and price % change. Here is another chart from old study comparing growth vs value stocks earnings surprise.
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    Whether we can exploit this ex-ante systematically is a different question.
     
    #35     May 25, 2018
  6. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    Thanks for sharing this post!! This is interesting, maybe my data set was not large enough as some stocks show close to 0 correlation. In this study what is classified as a growth stock? Some stocks earnings surprises demonstrate autocorrelation I will post a photo
     
    #36     May 25, 2018
  7. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    So top row(left) is Macy vs surprise we can see 0 correlation. However on the right we have its autocorrelation. So we could pretty much have a good guess if there will be a surprise or not. Only bad thing is it wouldnt matter!(Macy show 0 correlation with surprise)

    Bottom is Tif vs surprise. We can clearly see a correlation HOWEVER there is not auto correlation with it's surprises. Market will never give you a break LOL.
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    #37     May 25, 2018
  8. srinir

    srinir

    Factset data is for last 5 years.
    Other one is very old study.
    http://webuser.bus.umich.edu/tradingfloor/earningstorpedo/research/torpedoreportbysloan.pdf
    Value/growth stocks are divided based on P/B. Top quintile is growth and bottom is value.
    Even though it is old study, based on current small cap growth vs value returns it still persists imo.

    If you want systematically exploit, you have to group the returns instead of looking individually
     
    #38     May 25, 2018
  9. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    Can you explain what you mean by group returns?
     
    #39     May 25, 2018
  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Fair point. But how do you know it’s supply and demand vs a real fundamental issue?

    If you trade it systematically then the supply/demand return will be low as you will be forced to trade a lot of “pushes.”
     
    #40     May 25, 2018