Hi, Just a poll here. For those of you who trade in and out of the ES and YMs intra day, how many points do you typically realize per contract? Also, from your experience, have you found your risk profile to be like short vol (ie steady stream of points on most days, big blow out on a few bad days) ? or a stream of losses and gains with no pattern ? or like long vol (ie losses on most days and big wins occasionally) I think I would particularly like to hear from actual experiences as opposed to backtests ... I'll start - I've been learning the ES and it seems like 2-4 points is a decent day. I trade discretionary based on charts, volume and general situational appraisal. Commissions usually take up 0.5 to 0.75 pts. I have not hit a bad tail yet, but am psychologically prepared for it - ie shutdown all activity.